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And he says it’s specifically cause of the players we have.
You can’t play Ajax football with Fernandes, Casemiro, Rashford, McTominay, Wan Bissaka, Maguire. Could go on. Cause we’ve Frankensteined a squad of mainly 2 different counter attacking managers, Mourinho and Ole.
What is causing the issue is that he’s brought in some ‘Ajax’ players to play alongside the others, so we’re playing some fucked up in-between which isn’t giving the best of either, and actually showing the worst in both.
He has to take blame, but the board above him do too, why is there nobody above him saying we now have a squad filled with players who want to be on the ball and also several players who treat the ball like a grenade?
I would have said fair enough but watching what Ange has done at Spurs in 10 games when our team was built for counterattacking under Mourinho and Conteball. Sure we brought in a few players but he’s had a single window and we look much more coherent than what’s going on with y’all.
You guys have some amazing players shackled by Conte and Mourinho. We’ve been let down by some of these players for several managers across multiple years, and some of them are still getting the chance.
We can get a lot better than we currently are. Struggle to get worse, especially given the injuries. Everyone seems low on confidence.
The Frankenstein squad took us to third last season though. This is so do with form and confidence.
So? Every manager somewhat gets the old guard and has to manage around it. Think Ange or Emery got clean slate and players they wanted from day one?
As much as I dislike Ten Hag, you’re right. Look at Arteta too, it took him years to get rid of the old guard and to turn things around. That included getting rid of Raul too behind the scenes
This idea that every new manager has to buy deozens of new players to be successful is ridiculous and was created purely as an excuse for Chelsea and Man Utd
Having no identity to speak of as a club is a major issue- how does Manchester United want to play as a whole, and are the players and manager suitable for that?
We hang our hat on having young players come through and are immensely proud of it, but what kind of football are we teaching them, and is that uniform from youth level to the first team? The sooner United have an identity and plug in players who fit that the better; I’d sooner we know what we are and live or die by that than “Frankenstein” ourselves into being a team, which you’re absolutely spot on about.
Which why the calls for his firing are stupid. United needs to find a vision, how do they want to play? what is their philosophy? Find a fitting DoF, let him workout a strategy on recruitment and youth development and hire a coach that fits this philosophy. ManU has it backwards ever since Fergie left, they first hire the coach and then decide on the philosophy
What is causing the issue is that he’s brought in some ‘Ajax’ players to play alongside the others, so we’re playing some fucked up in-between which isn’t giving the best of either, and actually showing the worst in both.
But looking at the United squad right now, who are actually players you’d expect to see at an Ajax side? Martinez and Eriksen. Not so much anyone else. Even Antony isn’t the kind of player to really set the playstyle at a club like Ajax, even if he did well there.
Ten Hag should be blamed for his mistakes, but I wouldn’t say this is a squad in between the old counter attacking style and the “Ajax” style. This is an unfinished squad, with simply a lot of poor players and unfit players. I would blame Ten Hag for having a front three of Rashford, Hojlund and Antony. Because it is a very expensive lineup, that doesn’t really make sense together and isn’t all that great individually either. But he’s also trying to make it work with what was already in the squad and a lot of the players just aren’t up for it.
This guy has already given up
Ahh so he is finally at the “acceptance” stage
the united job is proven to drive a man insane
What’s he on about, united are playing exactly like a team that’s bottom of their respective league /s
We’re all pissed cuz City beat us but we all knew they would. Look at our defense and tell me you thought the likes of Maguire, Evans, Lindelof, and Dalot we’re going to keep City quiet.
A lot of comments on ETH spending 400mil on his team to play like this but it’s literally a youngster in hojlund, amrabat, onana, and evans. We’re still missing 300mil of players that he signed
Is it possible he goes? Thought he seemed rattled after the match.
Even if we sack him then what? We hire another guy, honeymoon period until next season then rinse and repeat. There’s no structure behind the manager, it’s like being an accountant and not being able to use excel or accounting software.
Some of these players will be on their FIFTH manager if we sack him. A couple will be on their fourth and a whole lot will be on their third. That’s unheard of anywhere else in football. For me, sacking him is not the solution
So what is the solution? To stick with an underperforming manager?
Will we ever play in a certain way Eric? Because right now it just looks like yoloball
Could do with the fact we had a huge injury crisis right at the start of the season.
A backline consisting of our 3rd choice CB, 5th choice CB, 6th choice CB, and 2nd choice RB.
For me, you look at other clubs and they have a style of play and when someone comes in they slot into that role, no one in our team looks like they’ve got a clue what they should be doing
This is on Ten Hag for picking a terrible job to begin with. He’s someone who can’t be the face of a club necessarily, at Ajax he had an incredible structure with Overmars leading it, and he just had to stick to coaching for the most part. I am aware of his work at Utrecht where he focused a lot more on squad building, but Utrecht vs United are very different situations.
He’s someone who can’t be the face of a club necessarily
Based on what lol? That he’s failing at United?
Terrible job? Millions of pounds and several year contract which will most likely get terminated early with a strong chance you’ll get the full term’s payment as severance, only to hop into another several million £/€/$ contract somewhere else within the next 6 months? Sounds amazing.
I know I’m being facetious and that’s not the reality.
narrator: “they play the football they played at Ajax there”
Oh joy, we’ve reached the part of the cycle where the depressing quotes start, with the manager lowering already rock bottom expectations…
Nothing depressing about this. All he’s saying is that Ajax have a particular brand of football and he adapted to it. United have never played that style and don’t have the players for it, so it doesn’t make sense to try to do the exact same thing he did before.
He’s adapting to the United ‘shit’ brand of football. He’s a plonker for trying to play counter attacking football at a top side. Camping in all game at home against city is a disgrace
Wasn’t he brought in to implement that style? And wasn’t he given all that money to sign the players to implement that style? It’s kinda weird to say it can’t be done after 3 transfer periods.
United’s 2 biggest and ‘best’ players in Rashford and Bruno simply cannot play possession-based football. That’s not their strength. Ten Hag’s issue is that he bought in some players precisely to play possession-based football (e.g. his new goalkeeper) but then also has players who can’t cope with it (e.g. Maguire and Evans right in front of the GK).
United wanted Ole to create an attacking transition team, and from everything ETH has said this summer, he’s trying to create the same thing.
Then why did he buy the Ajax players?
He bought 2 Ajax players in total.
At Ajax he got the same amount of players from Benfica and from Sevilla, but they weren’t playing like them either.
Yeah, the problem is that is the job he was brought in to do and they are just now figuring that out. Now what? Let him go and hire a manager that plays United style? Who would that be?
“the culture, is actually damn good” level of denial quotes.
Are the depressing quotes better or worse than the deluded quotes?
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-united-erik-ten-hag-b2438255.html
Did you read the article? It’s far from a depressing quote, only if you just read the title.
We just need a strengthening in ((insert position)), ((insert player name)) is just not cutting it.
Tbf he just says that hell never play Ajax football at United, because he has different players at United and United usually play another brand. Stating that he implements a style based on the players he has at his disposal, not the other way round
But all the players he bought to implement that style tho …
Not exactly lol
Like half his team are ex Ajax, under him no less, and he’s had £400 million and counting to spend. At the very least they should be playing ETH era Ajax football.
Looks closer to Steijn era…
United downfall is changing philosophy
hire a manager who plays counter attack or 4-4-2 and you will instant progress
Does the one who you have in your mind name rhyme with “ole”
Please No
Man I loved Ole, regardless of results.
Had a remarkable way of bringing back results from being down two goals or having an on-paper worse squad, that the current Utd squad can’t seem to muster up. He’d push everyone forward and it would work, for some bizarre reason
José “Ole” Mourinho 🤔
This is eerily starting to resemble quotes from previous Man Utd managers when things started to turn sour. In all honesty, I don’t see Ten Hag making it to next season, especially with how poor Utd perform against top teams in the PL and in Europe. The injury crisis hasn’t helped, but overall the team looks worse this season than the prior one.
Small brain here - why is this even a discussion? Ten Hag has a collection of some of the best footballers in the world. They are skilled and athletic. He was hired for his style of football and success at Ajax. He should make them adapt to his play style, or they sit the bench. Simple as that.
It’s so joever