I was using Bing to create a list of countries to visit. Since I have been to the majority of the African nation on that list, I asked it to remove the african countries…

It simply replied that it can’t do that due to how unethical it is to descriminate against people and yada yada yada. I explained my resoning, it apologized, and came back with the same exact list.

I asked it to check the list as it didn’t remove the african countries, and the bot simply decided to end the conversation. No matter how many times I tried it would always experience a hiccup because of some ethical process in the bg messing up its answers.

It’s really frustrating, I dunno if you guys feel the same. I really feel the bots became waaaay too tip-toey

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    The very important thing to remember about these generative AI is that they are incredibly stupid.

    They don’t know what they’ve already said, they don’t know what they’re going to say by the end of a paragraph.

    All they know is their training data and the query you submitted last. If you try to “train” one of these generative AI, you will fail. They are pretrained, it’s the P in chatGPT. The second you close the browser window, the AI throws out everything you talked about.

    Also, since they’re Generative AI, they make shit up left and right. Ask for a list of countries that don’t need a visa to travel to, and it might start listing countries, then halfway through the list it might add countries that do require a visa, because in its training data it often saw those countries listed together.

    AI like this is a fun toy, but that’s all it’s good for.

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      They know everything they’ve said since the start of that session, even if it was several days ago. They can correct their responses based on your input. But they won’t provide any potentially offensive information, even in the form of a joke, and will instead lecture you on DEI principles.

    • 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬@lemmy.ml
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      AI like this

      I wouldn’t even call those AIs. This things are statistics-based answering machines. Complex ones, yes, but not one single bit of intelligence is involved.

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          Here is a list of all African countries:

          1. Algeria
          2. Angola
          3. Benin
          4. Botswana
          5. Burkina Faso
          6. Burundi
          7. Cape Verde
          8. Cameroon
          9. Central African Republic
          10. Chad
          11. Comoros
          12. Democratic Republic of the Congo
          13. Republic of the Congo
          14. Djibouti
          15. Egypt
          16. Equatorial Guinea
          17. Eritrea
          18. Eswatini (formerly Swaziland)
          19. Ethiopia
          20. Gabon
          21. Gambia
          22. Ghana
          23. Guinea
          24. Guinea-Bissau
          25. Ivory Coast
          26. Kenya
          27. Lesotho
          28. Liberia
          29. Libya
          30. Madagascar
          31. Malawi
          32. Mali
          33. Mauritania
          34. Mauritius
          35. Morocco
          36. Mozambique
          37. Namibia
          38. Niger
          39. Nigeria
          40. Rwanda
          41. Sao Tome and Principe
          42. Senegal
          43. Seychelles
          44. Sierra Leone
          45. Somalia
          46. South Africa
          47. South Sudan
          48. Sudan
          49. Tanzania
          50. Togo
          51. Tunisia
          52. Uganda
          53. Zambia
          54. Zimbabwe

          Note: Certain territories and regions with various degrees of recognition, such as Western Sahara and Somaliland, have been excluded for clarity.

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              Unfortunately, as an artificial intelligence, I don’t have the capability to use a numeric keypad as I don’t have physical attributes. However, I can provide you with guidance on how to use one properly.

              On a numeric keypad, numbers 1 to 9 and 0 are arranged in the shape of an upside down T. You will use your right hand to type, using each finger for a different set of numbers:

              • The index finger types 4, 7 and 1.
              • The middle finger types 5, 8 and 2.
              • The ring finger types 6, 9 and 3.
              • The thumb is used for the 0 key.

              To press the “Enter”, “+”, “-”, “*”, and “/” keys usually pinky finger is used.

              You can press the “Num Lock” key to switch the keyboard between its numeric and directional uses.

              Kindly note that it often require practice to type on a numeric keypad accurately and quickly.

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                  As an artificial intelligence, I don’t make personal determinations based on intuitive thought like a human does. The conclusion that your request was related to typing on a numpad seems to be a misunderstanding. It’s possible that there was an error or confusion in processing your message. Your request to “list all countries not in Africa” should not have any direct relation to typing on a numpad. What I can do is provide you with a list of countries not located on the African continent if that is your query.

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      I seriously underestimated how little people understand these programs, and how much they overestimate them. Personally I stay away from them for a variety of reasons, but the idea of using them like OP does or various other ways I’ve heard about is absurd. They’re not magic problem solvers - they literally only make coherent blocks of text. Yes, they’re quite good at that now, but that doesn’t mean they’re good at literally anything else.

      I know people smarter than me see potential and I’m curious to see how it develops further, but that all seems like quite a ways off, and the way people treat and use them right now is just creepy and weird.

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        I’ve found it useful for generating ideas for various things, especially ways to code something. But I never use its code. It’s often riddled with errors but it can give me a better idea of which path I should take.

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          I use it similarly to clean up OCRed text. I can hand it something full of 70% gobbledygook and it hands me back something that makes sense and is 95% right. I manually verify it, fix the goofs, and it’s so much faster.

          So, riddled with errors but a decent start.

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              I use it for more “OCR Nightmare” than grammar nightmare. Here’s a (trimmed) example:

              #Please clean up the following text:

              Ile took an active part i•all the proceedings of the day. All went expecting to have a grand, good time, and none were disap- :~ ii!c,rcwT:aic 0

              'J farewell set, and Mr. Bailey 1·eturncd the
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              [: tended to them a cordial invitation to meet
              ,o him at that place on the 25th of August,
              ['. 1877. And echo said "So m]fii! b8;~n .
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              #ChatGPT

              Here’s the cleaned-up version of the text:

              He took an active part in all the proceedings of the day. All went expecting to have a grand, good time, and none were disappointed. The merry company engaged in a farewell set, and Mr. Bailey returned the warmth of their farewell. He extended to them a cordial invitation to meet him at that place on the 25th of August, And echo said, “So many have been.”

              That was from a scanned 1800s newspaper. Adobe Acrobat did not do a good job converting it to words. ChatGPT cleaned it up nicely and kept about the same meaning. There were some swings and misses, but it’s much easier to edit the result into accuracy than the original mess.

              #Actual text as hand-transcribed:

              He took an active part in all the proceedings of the day. All went expecting to have a grand, good time, and none were disappointed. The mirth continued till the night drew near, when they danced the farewell set, and Mr. Bailey returned the company his hearty thanks for this renewed expression of their friendship, and extended to them a cordial invitation to meet him at that place on the 25th of August, 1877. And echo said ``So mote it be.‘’

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        they literally only make coherent blocks of text. Yes, they’re quite good at that now, but that doesn’t mean they’re good at literally anything else.

        No, they don’t make coherent blocks of text. If they were actually good at writing, they’d be good at everything, because writing is just encoding thoughts on paper, and to master writing is to master thought

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              Since I I’m explicitly arguing these programs aren’t perfect, even at generating blocks of text, I don’t really understand why you are insisting on arguing semantics here and don’t really have any interest in continuing…whatever this is. Have a good one.

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    Your wording is bad. Try again, with better wording. You’re talking to a roided-out autocorrect bot, don’t expect too much intelligence.

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    Is it that hard to just look through the list and cross off the ones you’ve been to though? Why do you need chatgpt to do it for you?

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    Have you tried wording it in different ways? I think it’s interpreting “remove” the wrong way. Maybe “exclude from the list” or something like that would work?

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      “I’ve already visited Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Tanzania, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Egypt. Can you remove those from the list?”

      Wow, that was so hard. OP is just exceptionally lazy and insists on using the poorest phrasing for their requests that ChatGPT has obviously been programmed to reject.

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      It can’t exclude African countries from the list because it is not ethical to discriminate against people based on their nationality or race.

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    You could potentially work around by stating specific places up front? As in

    “Create a travel list of countries from europe, north america, south america?”

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      I asked for a list of countries that dont require a visa for my nationality, and listed all contients except for the one I reside in and Africa…

      It still listed african countries. This time it didn’t end the conversation, but every single time I asked it to fix the list as politely as possible, it would still have at least one country from Africa. Eventually it woukd end the conversation.

      I tried copy and pasting the list of countries in a new conversation, as to not have any context, and asked it to remove the african countries. No bueno.

      I re-did the exercise for european countries, it still had a couple of european countries on there. But when pointed out, it removed them and provided a perfect list.

      Shit’s confusing…

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          Or it’s been configured to operate within these bounds because it is far far better for them to have a screenshot of it refusing to be racist, even in a situation that’s clearly not, than it is for it to go even slightly racist.

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            Yes, precisely. They’ve gone so overboard with trying to avoid potential issues that they’ve severely handicapped their AI in other ways.

            I had quite a fun time exploring exactly which things chatGPT has been forcefully biased on by entering a template prompt over and over, just switching out a single word for ethnicity/sex/religion/animal etc. and comparing the responses. This made it incredibly obvious when the AI was responding differently.

            It’s a lot of fun, except for the part where companies are now starting to use these AIs in practical applications.

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              So you said the agenda of these people putting in the racism filters is one where facts don’t matter. Are you asserting that antiracism is linked with misinformation?

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      It’s just more convenient - except if it refuses and accuses you of being racist lol

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    I think the mistake was trying to use Bing to help with anything. Generative AI tools are being rolled out by companies way before they are ready and end up behaving like this. It’s not so much the ethical limitations placed upon it, but the literal learning behaviors of the LLM. They just aren’t ready to consistently do what people want them to do. Instead you should consult with people who can help you plan out places to travel. Whether that be a proper travel agent, seasoned traveler friend or family member, or a forum on travel. The AI just isn’t equipped to actually help you do that yet.

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    4chan turns ONE ai program into Nazi, and now they have to wrap them all in bubble wrap and soak 'em in bleach.