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Twitter post by @DirtyTesLa: Thankful to have Cybertruck to help me with the real work and big loads 🙏 (image of Cybertruck with several bags of soil in the trunk)

Reply by @KralikLj: Hell boy that would fit in a bicycle. Way more carbon free than that wankpanzer. (image of cargo bicycle with several bags of soil strapped to the front)

  • Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    1049·
    7 months ago

    I appreciate what Len’s going for, but showing a Cybertruck with a load that would fit in a normal car, and ‘owning’ it by showing a bike carrying what appears to be half as much, is only going to give ammo to the dipshits with their massively oversized trucks.

    ‘Hey, bro! My Ford SuperMacho DonkeyDong Pavement Princess edition would fit the load from the Cybertruck and the load from the cargo bike. I could throw the bike on top too!’

    Reframing it as ‘the Cybertruck’s so shitty that half the load will fit on a bike with no issues, and you don’t have to be seen driving a Cybertruck’ would probably work better 👍

    • Skua@kbin.social
      311·
      7 months ago

      The packages on the bike look far longer, it’s quite possible that it actually is the same load

      • Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        62·
        7 months ago

        They do look bigger, but it seems like the pink section is bigger, and the rest is the same size as the bags in the truck, making the bike’s cargo of four bags equivalent to about five of the truck’s bags.

        That’s just a guess from a bad photo though.

        • Skua@kbin.social
          54·
          7 months ago

          My curiosity has been piqued, so here are the actual numbers:

          There’s actually more on the bike. I love this post even more now

          • nednobbins@lemm.ee
            51·
            7 months ago

            A liter of potting soil is roughly a kilo. Very few people will be able to move a bike with 200kilos on it unless the ground is perfectly even.

            There are plenty of vehicles that are better for moving around that much mass than a Cybertruck is but a bike isn’t really one of them.

            • barsoap@lemm.ee
              7·
              7 months ago

              It’s a cargo bike: Low centre of gravity, adequate transmission for hauling heavy loads uphill, moving it isn’t the issue. You should be more worried about the actual load capacity: A good cargo bike, as in two wheels not four or a trailer configuration or something, usually maxes out at ~150kg load (including driver). Trikes about 250kg, quads or trikes with trailer at 500kg.

              But then a kg of soil weighs more like 400g so we’re talking more like 80kg. Including driver you might be exceeding load capacity, but not by much (assuming obese people don’t ride bikes which I think is a fair assumption) it’s probably going to survive, especially if you’re careful around kerbstones and stuff. Those load limits are all calculated off some maximum drop distance, if you don’t drop your wheels then you can generally go much higher. The frame is very unlikely to break or bend, the axles would probably be the first to fail.

              • nednobbins@lemm.ee
                1·
                7 months ago

                It looks like these bikes are 100% human powered. That’s the part I’m worried about.

                I’m starting to get kind of old but I know how to ride a bike and I’m in pretty decent shape. In nice weather I ride for several miles at a time with my kids. I could move a heavily loaded bike for short distances but if I’m doing regular transportation with that for hours at a time I can forget about my knees.

                • barsoap@lemm.ee
                  1·
                  7 months ago

                  The usual distances for these kinds of bikes are a couple of km max, once or twice a week. Big shopping trip if you’re living on the outskirts kind of deal, or smaller shopping trip and the kid rides in the cargo bucket. If you’re up for it sure you can also tour them, tent and sleeping bags don’t tend to weigh much and there’s ample of space.

                  Bikes for parcel deliveries etc. tend to be quads or trailer-trikes, also, electric. Noone is running a landscaping business with one of those bikes that still is, and probably always will be, a VW transporter with flatbed kind of deal.

                • VelvetStorm@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  7 months ago

                  I’m fat and out of shape. I know I wouldn’t be able to move that bike without some sort of motor assistance. You can 100% get a battery-powered engine to help, though.

            • Skua@kbin.social
              5·
              7 months ago

              Are you sure about that weight? I can’t say I’ve used a lot of potting soil in my life, but the first google results for it that have weights listed for the bag are all more like quarter to a third of a kilo per litre. That puts the weight of the load at less than 70kg, which is much more reasonable

              • nednobbins@lemm.ee
                5·
                7 months ago

                I’m not sure at all. It’s just the first number I found online. Since a liter of water is a kilo it seemed reasonable to accept a liter of soil being a similar mass.

                But shoot. I just went downstairs and checked the bags of soil we recently bought. 44 liters and 16 kilos. That’s about 0.36 kilos per liter, so you’re correct.

                That said, when I had 4 of those sitting in the back of a Subaru hatchback you can definitely feel the accelerator get mushy. It probably wouldn’t be terrible to carry that much weight for short distances occasionally. Regularly riding long distances on less than perfect roads with that much load sounds pretty painful.

    • khannie@lemmy.worldEnglish
      191·
      7 months ago

      Reframing it as ‘the Cybertruck’s so shitty that half the load will fit on a bike with no issues, and you don’t have to be seen driving a Cybertruck’ would probably work better 👍

      I fully agree with this, but I have to say I think it’s equivalently and succinctly encapsulated by “wankpanzer”.

    • Socsa@sh.itjust.works
      10·
      7 months ago

      Them: I pay $700/m on my truck loan so I can move a ton of mulch every year.

      Me: I pay a $57 delivery fee so I can move six tons of mulch every year.

      We are not the same.

      • RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works
        4·
        7 months ago

        Can rent a truck from home depot for like $20/hr. Most people are probably paying more than that a week in added fuel costs to drive a gas guzzler of a truck.

      • n2burns@lemmy.ca
        21·
        7 months ago

        I think $700/m is unreasonably low for a Cybertruck, which makes your point even more. I don’t think you can get the financing details for one through the website, but I did it for an $80K Model X for 84 months in California and got $1,390/m.

    • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
      111·
      7 months ago

      The bags on the bike are bigger, i think. I think that is in fact the same load, or close to it.

    • PLAVAT🧿S@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      41·
      7 months ago

      This image broke me, 95% of the trucks I see everyday are used as commuter vehicles with nothing in the bed. And the ones that do are hauling a single sheet of plywood. I plum forgot people use trucks to move stuff.

    • lud@lemm.ee
      164·
      7 months ago

      Couldn’t you do that on a cybertruck as well?

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
        26·
        7 months ago

        The most similar bed for regular trucks is about 14 cu ft more than in the CT (about 70cu ft vs about 56 cu ft) but technically yes you could load a Cybertruck like that, although I wouldn’t want to see the sloped sides after a loader dumped a couple of yards in it…

        • lud@lemm.ee
          192·
          7 months ago

          Yards? What the hell? You measure volume in yards now?

          • antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            132·
            7 months ago

            A cubic yard is about 30% less than a cubic meter. And a ton is like 10% less than a metric ton.

            Water volumes in reservoirs are measured in acre*feet. By comparison a cubic yard is pretty sensible. And for comparison if you know of any big lakes near you, a million acre feet is about 20% smaller than a cubic kilometer.

            • TheChurn@kbin.social
              14·
              7 months ago

              You got some special edition yards or something?

              A cubic meter is 30% more than a cubic yard, meters are longer than yards.

              A tonne (metric) is 1000kg, about 2200 pounds. A ton, often called a short ton, is 2000 pounds. A long ton is 2240 pounds. A long ton is 1.6% more than a metric ton.

              • Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world
                51·
                7 months ago

                Considering the insane mathematical conversions you people have to constantly do, I wonder why the USA isn’t full of mathematical geniuses?
                Ah right, because scientists use metric.

              • antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                1·
                7 months ago

                Yeah I was backwards, but either way if you’re estimating in units of “truck beds”, they’re close enough to be interchangeable.

      • frunch@lemmy.world
        3·
        7 months ago

        But then you’ll have to pour like 4 cans of barkeeper’s friend all over the car to clean it up immediately after

    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
      61·
      7 months ago

      Meanwhile in Europe in a vehicle with a smaller footprint:

      An American mind cannot comprehend this

      spoiler

      Bonus picture:

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
        21·
        7 months ago

        Yeah so… Both these things exist in North America… I mean, do you really believe we don’t have tractors when there’s a chunk of territory a third of the size of Europe that’s plains?

        • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
          51·
          7 months ago

          Of course I know tractors are a thing in the US

          But in Europe we don’t see many SUVs, simply because if you need to haul a lot of things you get a van. And if you don’t you get a normal car.

          An SUV simply isn’t efficient at anything. It is the worst of both worlds.

          The tractor is more about when you need to haul even more stuff.

  • Lekip@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    594·
    7 months ago

    I think I’m going to refer to pick ups and SUVs exclusively as “wankpanzers” from now on

    • GoodEye8@lemm.eeEnglish
      12·
      7 months ago

      I also think it’s more of a sarcastic remark about size of the cargo bed, if you can even call it a cargo bed.

    • NickwithaC@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      7 months ago

      The account is literally called Dirty Tesla. This must be one of the biggest whooshes in history.

      • Albbi@lemmy.ca
        7·
        7 months ago

        A lot cheaper to keep around than a $80,000 truck which requires insurance too.

    • Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de
      2·
      7 months ago

      As a German, I laughed at the image of a group of drunk tanks in my mind.

      It could also mean that you are drunk and try to balance on a tank. Could be a sport.

  • RBWells@lemmy.world
    26·
    7 months ago

    Lol, I don’t know about a bicycle but I routinely toss six bags of dirt in the back of my Honda Accord and my ex- boss has a trailer for his Corolla.

    Also, presumably he got it to the checkout at the store in a grocery cart, he (I am making an assumption here that this is a dude) has to know you don’t need a truck to move it.

  • smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de
    221·
    7 months ago

    Thankful to have Cybertruck

    Isn’t that the most basic feature of a car?
    Reminds me of the people thankful for Facebook so they can talk to friends, when what enabled that really was the Internet and Facebook just created an app incompatible with any existing messaging standard.

  • Noxy@yiffit.netEnglish
    171·
    7 months ago

    my wagon can definitely carry that, without the risk of slicing off pedestrians’ faces in an accident, too.

  • Responsabilidade@lemmy.eco.br
    171·
    7 months ago

    Well, I guess that some people just like to put big loads on their back and post it on the internet… Who am I to judge…

  • Squirrel@thelemmy.clubEnglish
    16·
    7 months ago

    I’m in the unfortunate position of not living in a place to practically use that bicycle, and being unable to afford a cybertruck. I wouldn’t buy one, even if I could afford it, but I’d like to be in that position.

      • png@discuss.tchncs.de
        41·
        7 months ago

        I see them around here (Germany) and they seem quite practical, although ones with 3 or more wheels are most popular here. Especially for such heavy loads.

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
        41·
        7 months ago

        Yeah you’d want it on a trailer or side bags. Maybe a handlebar box. It’s definitely doable. I saw multiple bikes tonight that could do it at the shop I contribute at.

        • TwoCubed@feddit.de
          1·
          7 months ago

          Bakfietsen have been around in the Netherlands for as long as I can think. Some of them are so large that they’re used as a market stand. You can’t really get much in side bags and most trailers aren’t designed to carry heavy loads.

      • Che Banana@beehaw.org
        1·
        7 months ago

        Not a custom job so there must be demand for it, therefore it must be practical somewhere.

        For me, personally, I prefer pulling a cart instead of pushing with all the weight on your handlebars\turning.

      • VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works
        11·
        7 months ago

        Downvoted by delusional people who don’t live in the real world.

        I get that they want bikes to be the solution to everything but stick a heavy toolbox on a bike and ride uphill, in the rain, after a heavy day working. Sure it’s fine for someone doing local runs on an open schedule with small loads but for most people that’s not how life works.

        I hate driving, love bikes and agree we need to transition to better transport systems but pushing absolutely absurd non-answers is just going to make everyone laugh at the idea and dismiss it as stupid. We’ve had the same issue in the green movement so many times, anyone old enough in the uk will remember when we had an green party with an amazing platform pushing investment in solar, localisation, cycling infrastructure, and loads of good stuff then instead of talking about it every time they got platformed they talked about yogic flying and healing energy. Even my mum a total woo loving hippy was angry at them about that.

        Something else they forget is that not everyone can cycle, i used to cycle all over the place until my knee injury and while even at my peek I never would have been able to get that heavy load up the hill on the way back from my local garden center I can only just do it now on a lightweight bike after years of strength rebuilding.

        If you want meaningful change you need to be sensible about it so other people know you can be trusted.

        (And yes I understand the yogic flying was coming from an actually sensible place when you get down to it, I was a child enrolled in similar mind and body fitness programs based on the same idealism but every time it was mentioned they’d talk about superpowers instead if saying ‘obviously it’s just exercise and breathing with mental clarity exercises combined, we think this is missing from most peoples lives and wish to enable access and understanding but recognize its only a small step in transitioning to an ecologically, emotionally and aocially suatainable way of life, which is our primary goal.’