Zac and Phil discuss their disappointment with the lack of changes in the recent ban announcement for the Legacy format. They express frustration with the ca...

Zac and Phil discuss their disappointment with the lack of changes in the recent ban announcement for the Legacy format. They express frustration with the card Grief, its impact on the format, and the lack of communication and transparency from Wizards of the Coast. They suggest the need for a community committee to provide input and feedback on the format, and emphasize the importance of transparency and timely action from WotC.

  • MysticKetchup@lemmy.world
    8·
    3 days ago

    Honestly I think every format needs a community panel separate from Wizards to decide the BnR. I think people forget a lot of the time because Wizards usually does a good enough job most of the time, but when bans run against the bottom line (Oko, Hogaak, etc…) they always seem to come down on the wrong side.

    The issue of course is A. Getting Wizards to do it and B. Getting the right people on it. Commander has a community-run panel but it feels like they’re far too lax and out-of-touch sometimes.

    • Mike@mtgzone.comOPM
      3·
      3 days ago

      I totally agree. In this video one of the guys basically says whenever he sees a turn 1 Grief->Reanimate->Grief or an Initiative creature he just scoops and decides its not worth playing that game. I get that this on the extreme side, but when you have players activity deciding to just scoop instead of playing out a game, because of how mentally exasperating it is, I wonder what the f- are we even doing! This is a GAME. This screams to me local/community ban list. I were running a store and trying to get people to come out, I would just manage my own banlist, but a community created one would go the furthest I think.

  • Mike@mtgzone.comOPM
    7·
    3 days ago

    I don’t play Legacy but I’ve always been a big fan of the format. It’s very interesting to hear their thoughts on how negatively impactful Grief has been for the format. I think it’s frustrating but expected that Wizards delays banning a card from the current active set that they’re promoting. They haven’t even shipped out Gift Bundles yet (July) so to ban a card from the set before people even receive the product is definitely never happening.

    I do think that Grief creates non-games, and I think non-games are truly antithetical to “fun” and fun should be the #1 concern for every game in existence. The fact that they’re not banning it means they care more about money than fun.

    • TehPers@beehaw.orgEnglish
      4·
      3 days ago

      Grief, in my opinion, was a mistake. It should really be banned in all formats (except those where it’s normal to restrict instead). In the right deck, it’s a 1-drop 3/2 menace that double/triple thoughtsiezes before your opponent can drop a land into play.

      But hey, they fixed that problem by banning Fury in modern, right?

      As for the “no changes” B&R, I wish they were a little more willing to unban cards. For example, I wonder if Invoke Despair could come back to standard at this point (despite it rotating out soon anyway). Anyway, I guess I’m just looking forward to rotation to change up standard since it feels mostly solved (a lot of the same decks have been on top for a while now, with minor changes each new set).