• CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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    6 days ago

    And in comes the tin foil hat guy! Sure dude, that is exactly what the conversation is about!

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      6 days ago

      Ok dude who says democracy is bad calls somebody else a tin foil hat guy.

      You should reflect on yourself first.

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      6 days ago

      Sure dude, that is exactly what the conversation is about!

      It sure is. The fascist takeover of Germany and terrifying consequences is real and your “lynch mob” example making democracy the “worst form of government” is not real. Lynch mobs have never been legal in democracies. But they are common in just about every authoritarian country.

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          5 days ago

          What’s utterly crazy is you trying to tell people that Treason Trump’s neofascist movement would be better at protecting minority rights than our longstanding core values of democracy and the rule of law.

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            5 days ago

            I agree that suggesting Trump is silly, but America’s “core value of democracy” is excessively hollow, and largely for show. In reality, wealthy Capitalists have always been served by the state and remain in power since America’s conception, this has never been untrue in America.

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                I agreed with you on democracy… but you’re wrong on this one. America became successful by being power brokers across the world. Not democracy. How does democracy in America going to strike an oil deal with Saudi Arabia in the middle east? Its U.S imperialism that made America powerful.

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                Successful by what metric? Settler-colonialism and genocide? Sure, given that America was founded by Slave Owners that makes sense. Successful in terms of global Imperialism? Sure, given that America’s Capitalists have enjoyed cheap labor abroad through couping countries that denied them access to their natural resources and labor, that makes sense too.

                Successful in terms of representing the general public? No, not even close.

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                  5 days ago

                  Successful by what metric?

                  Economic cultural scientific military. Basically everything.

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                    4 days ago

                    What do you mean by “Economic?” Which country has the highest GDP? Why not focus on housing rates, wealth disparity, access to healthcare, access to education, unemployment rates, incarceration rates, and other trackable metrics?

                    Cultural? Do you mean which country has their culture consumed by the most people internationally, or are you saying that American culture is “better” than other cultures?

                    Scientific? In what way? Science is an international effort. Are you saying American scientists discover more new species or something?

                    Military? As in, the gigantic arm of Imperialism the US maintains to keep a stranglehold on the Global South so it can have access to cheap resources and labor? Why is that a good thing?