Ah… so now we’re not just dividing the people against themselves domestically, but internationally too.
Who benefits from that?
What a fucking stupid meme
Not stupid of you’re trying to support Trump’s efforts to divide the US and its allies.
Is this trying to claim that Americans against Trump… Shouldn’t be taken seriously? Aren’t being honest? What prejudiced thing are you claiming exactly?
I see it more communicating this idea that as other countries rightfully discuss the ramifications and impact that a fascist American leader has on them, Americans feel the need to pop in and make it about themselves and seek some kind of validation. Like, okay, cool, how about you go fix your damn fascist country then instead of seeking brownie points?
Please give me working instructions for fixing this shit. Been protesting and voting for 20 years and shit only gets worse.
A protest in France looks very different than a protest in the states… all I’m saying.
Our police also are a lot different… ours is just an Abrams short of the miltary.
You understand the guy driving the Abrams is also your neighbour right?
The police in the US largely side with fascists. They in large part become police officers just to have power over people. No, not all police are like that, but there are always a few in every department, and “a few bad apples spoil the bunch” as they say. Police officers who try to stand up to these people get punished for it. The rot goes deep.
My neighbors are mostly MAGAts. So i dont think they’ll be on my side.
Our police can shoot us dead and people in most of the country will look the other way because law and order, especially if you’re not white. America has been fascist for a long time, it didn’t suddenly start under Trump.
Look at the BLM protests, they were huge, but the sentiment of half of the country was against them and there were many who fantasized about police or vigilantes making the streets run with blood. And in the end the thugs with badges are still well funded and well armed.
And what are you going to do about it?
so send some fucking experts to us. at least make some youtube tutorials or something.
The French literally sent you a gigantic statue of a woman holding a torch. Can they get any clearer?
I’ve trying to become a giant statuesque torch-wielding woman but it’s very difficult
I got it
Do the Women’s Tiki Torch March!
Huh, that’s weird, only Nazis showed up?
You’re right. The cops roll up and start shooting people.
Saying americans dont protest correctly isnt looking at the whole picture.
What the fuck is a correct protest? The only thing that matters is the results.
For a country that loves guns you sure don’t fucking use em unless it involves a school or strip mall. A majority of your country is just complacent.
I know, it’s this majorly explosive issue. What are your feelings about the bomb of serious awareness you’re seeking? That pop ain’t soda today. Would you like something to help the chemistry of your emotions about this? I know there are solutions available to bring a big bang of handling this.
As an American, I truly believe we dont protest correctly. Even when theyre done violently they dont institute that much change. Were too afraid to step on the toes of our oppressors. French protests go fucking hard though. Tough to top their revolution where they paraded the corrupt and rich out into the streets to stand in line for a turn at the guillotine. If you ask me, we need to start getting a little more medieval.
That face when you see acab and fuck 12 spray painted all over Lyon.
It’s almost as if we don’t control the media, social media, or how other people think.
We’re stuck on this stupid train that takes directions from every idiot no matter what their direction is, like “ok now drive off that cliff!”
Not sure how powerless people change that. We’re well past the age of guillotines. At least the peasants of the past shared a common reality. With propagandists and social media we live in multiple versions of “reality” all fighting to be the “real” one…
The peasants of the past had the same weaponry as the oppressors.
Plus Europeans who have zero concept of how large the US is. France can have basically the entire country show up to protest, but that’ll never happen in the US.
Yeah I’m like an entire days drive from DC or something and I don’t have a car or money for the extremely (intentionally) limited and expensive transportation options to get there. Plus they’ve been passing the older military equipment down through agencies to the point where my Midwestern hometown of like 20k people has an APC and grenade launchers. Its not looking good unless the military stands up for us, which I have a little hope for because of this update I’ll attach, but I don’t want to hand them all the power in the vacuum that is created afterwards because as has been pointed out many times here in this thread and elsewhere, they have a huge impact on the rest of the world, in particular the global south, and the MIC as a whole is the world’s largest polluter and historically is a massive driver of suffering and subjugation abroad and at home. I am very much afraid for everyone, and I hold the value of all human lives equality. The situation has become so complex with layers of psyops, propaganda, and misinformation, plus AI, healthcare, and so on, it’s all connected and it’s all toxic and fucked up because in some way everyone in our society buys into the literal death cult that is capitalism, and the country (if not much of the world) runs on cognitive dissonance just to not collapse under the weight of all the contradictions that are required to maintain the status quo.
Update on the army:
(Obviously much of this is based on my experience and my experience is not necessarily universal, as I apparently have to point out extremely clearly every time I make a statement of opinion on Lemmy lately)
Yea but in practice you’re just snubbing people who agree with you. How does this help anyone?
You hit the nail on the head.
I’m not saying it’ll go this far, but if we have to fight a war and their kid gets drafted, we’re not just gonna not shoot him just because their daddy/mommy disagrees with their president. Unless they’re willing to infiltrate and spy for us, they’re basically insignificant bystanders.
Dude the biggest impact is on Americans
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America didnt effectively clean their house for 50 years, their house is now so infested with rats that they are coming onto our property and Americans want to be involved in our discussions on our rat problems because they have it worse…
I don’t think that’s usually the message we’re trying to get across. It’s very easy to say “well they elected him, just fix it, its your own fault” because most don’t grasp the reality of the situation from the outside. A large majority of our population does not want this, even those who bought the lies before the election.
It’s not just America’s house it’s a global problem. Saying “Hello, just a reminder that We Don’t Fucking Want This” and “As bad as it looks internationally its much worse domestically” is an alarm bell, not brownie points.
The same guys fucking our country are meddling internationally with yours, but now with official government resources. If you don’t want the same thing to happen, take drastic measures. Ban AfD, cut off fascist media platforms, seize assets, whatever you have to do. As problematic as any of that sounds, risking the alternative is not worth it.
Maybe these Americans should do something about it.
Oh wow its almost like everyone is suffering and people with your shitty attitude are the problem as well.
I’m someone who’s trans, who voted for Harris, who tried to make sure everyone around me understood that Trump was a fascist (it didn’t work). I’ve had way too many Europeans and Canadians try to tell me that I should be taking partial responsibility for Trump. I’ve had way too many people from Europe and Canada tell me that I should just get over it, grow up, and stop being hysterical about what’s going on, while immigrants are being rounded up and sent to totally-not-concentration-camps in Guantanamo Bay. This is called “victim-blaming” and it’s a disgusting practice and quite honestly, fuck them too at this point. If they wanna be on the wrong side of history, that’s their choice.
Imagine telling the immigrants, Jews, disabled or LGBT during the Holocaust that it was their fault that Hitler was rounding them up and putting them in concentration camps.
What an absolutely disgusting attitude and it shows the true colors of Europe and Canada. The most upsetting part is that I know that once this is all over, they’re gonna be sitting there crying crocodile tears while pretending that they knew nothing and nothing could have been done.
Edit: meanwhile I have a couple south american friends who are trying to get me to move to their respective countries because supposedly people in most south american countries don’t actually give a shit about your sexuality or gender; it’s only the corrupt-ass American puppets who give a fuck. Surprise-surprise. Also, if true, so much for the anglosphere moral superiority complex lmao. I’m very tempted to take a long vacation to visit them and test the waters.
It’s not fair to blame you that is true.
But in the end this is only and issue that American’s can solve, but people outside the US will bear the consequences something a whole not of American’s are forgetting.
Idk how you being trans is relevant to the specific situation, maybe stop using that in irrelevant context. There are a lot of people who will take your point a bit less serious. The same gues if you use other irrelevant points, like what you ate for dinner.
Keep up the good work and keep helping to fix the mess caused by your countries citizens.
Me being trans is very relevant because, in case you haven’t noticed, the US government is trying to erase trans people. We’re currently one step away from all-out genocide, complete with concentration camps and mass graves, something which our current politicians in power have expressed an interest in multiple times. When I say we need help, I’m not saying that we need the EU to come fix our problems, I’m saying we need refuge and an escape before Trump starts finding space in Guantanamo for trans people too. We need a place to run to because our own country is threatening to disown and murder us. I would not put it past them to start “”“losing”“” people’s IDs and birth records, so they can claim false citizenship and send them to Guantanamo as “immigrants”.
This is not something I can fix. This is not something trans people can fix. This is like staring a grizzly bear in the face and expecting to be able to fight it one-on-one.
Yes I know and it is terrible, but it is terrible either way. If you personally are trans or not. Argumenting it in a different way can help and you migt even get some transfobes to get to help you. Most trans people I know (especially the older once) here in NL, had way less issues before it became something people publicly shared. But they don’t consider themselves trans, they consider themselves of the opposite sex they where born.
If people are giving up then there is almost no hope of fixing the country. There is no allied who can help the US because of the way the US positstioned itself in the past.
If needed you can start the paperwork to migrate here and you might even be able to apply for help as a refuge. In NL we already can’t house own people with the influx of refugees from different parts of the world, but I gues we make it work? Idk if I where you I would try it in all different ways to get to a country where people are more accepting of each other
It’s you, you’re in the meme. Take a look again.
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(You personally can seek asylum here ofc, most EU countries’ asylum laws allow sexual persecution as reason and you’ll be protected as long as your life is in jeopardy. Just get over here)
Yeeaaaahh… You might wanna double check that because last I checked (though I may be misremembering), most anglosphere countries explicitly deny refugees from the US because the US is a “”'safe harbor"“”. Even so, though, unless there’s a guarantee that I’ll be taken seriously (which, considering a lot of what people have said to me, is unlikely), it’s not a great idea to be applying for refugee status until I have a list of places lined up because otherwise there’s a very real possibility that it’ll put a target on my back with the US government.
Oof, life seems hard for you.
Might not be specifically Europeans and Canadians unsympathetic to you.
If you’re being sarcastic about the fact that I’m trying to make sure I’m prepared before I take the jump, fuck off. The difference is between the US government taking pot shots in the dark vs laser targeting me because I triggered one of their systems and am now on their radar. At least there’s a significant chance they’ll miss me when I’m crouching in the dark.
It’s not all about you either… what kind of stupid take is this, just say you hate the people who live in America and be done with it.
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Yeah, don’t we all
Its wild how judgey this is when many EU voters are flirting with voting for fascists as well.
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While you do recognize Orban, the afd, and Lukashenko, you bring them up as a way to suggest that that Americans should not ask for sympathy on Trump because they have done nothing to prevent these a other authoritarian governments from forming. Nobody is asking you or your country to step in and save America from Trump. We all know America did that to its self and has to live with it now.
But we are all living under systems in which the fascists are dominating the propaganda machine in “the west.” It is not something happening in isolated pocks in the few scenarios you list. You give whiplash by indicating both the the individual has not done anything/enough to prevent genocide and Trump and that it is also not their personal fault. But then you still say that you will support this person once they (or Americans generally) fix the threat to you. But the call is coming from within the house. They can not entirely fix the threat to you even if they managed to fix the entire us political system. It is not just their Democratic system resulting in this.
They deserve sympathy as we all do or likely will. May we all be saved from the poor decisions of our nationalal peers.
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How do you expect trans folks to get there when there is a secret travel ban in place for them and they are getting their documents stolen and destroyed when they attempt to get the required passport to be able to travel? This has been going on for weeks. Its obviously only going to get harder to leave as more EOs are signed and freedoms eroded.
You come fix the threat to us, and we’ll be well poised to support you back.
This is not how a person, or country, should act.
I now look at the American population the same way as I look at the Russian or North Korean populations. They are caught in terrible states and I support those who resist their tyrannical government. I do not, however, think their positions on global affairs have much value as they ought to be more focused on their own terrible government. Hearing Americans tell Canadians how we should respond to Trump is falling on deaf ears.
THIS 🚨 IS 🚨 HAPPENING 🚨 TO 🚨 YOU 🚨
One of the biggest superpowers in the world wasn’t captured by accident or from some grassroots stupidity. The same exact playbook is being run in nearly every developed country by the same people. You need to learn from where we failed and stem the tide.
If you don’t understand why that “position on global affairs” is important coming from the people actively being crushed by the domino, I don’t know what to say. I guess we’ll just mutually pity each other’s tyrannical governments…
“Hey Canadians, you should tell Trump to go fuck himself!” “Fuck you I’m not going to listen to an American!”
The world does not owe Americans consideration for their internal politics when their choice acts on the world stage. This is America.
It’s not a Likud genocide, it’s an Israeli genocide.
It’s a Russian invasion of Ukraine, not a United Russia invasion of Ukraine.
It’s not fascist Republican America, it’s fascist America partitioning ‘lesser’ countries and threatening to invade its former allies.
Dude. It’s okay to not be at the front of every line.
Ironically, that’s the point.
Like Europe is doing any better
21% of romanians who voted thought someone who said that carbonated juices contain nanochips, which “enter you like into a laptop”, and that someone responsible with the death of 250000-380000 jews during WW2 was a national hero, while also saying that he would fight antisemitism if elected was the best choice
We don’t act like we are one country even though the EU + some other countries act more like one country than the US.
Not saying that we aren’t a mess, but there are vast differences between countries in every sense of the word.
Hi there, disabled American here.
Any chance I can seek aslyum in the EU or Canada when Trump/Elon cuts off my disability payments, thus leaving me to die, starving and homeless?
I hope so - asylum usually needs to be filed from a political persecution perspective, but probably worth looking into what paperwork you would need to prove your need for asylum now.
Oh, well I don’t have much paperwork left, beyond a pdf of my SSDI payments.
Got assaulted, maimed, lost my job, got evicted, lost everything, ended up homeless for about a year.
Somehow managed to get my social security card and drivers liscense replaced after my wallet got stolen for the third time, roughed it untill I got SSDI payments instated, had to take a greyhound halfway across the country to find a shit tier motel turned ‘apartment complex’ willing to let me rent, that I could afford.
The job that I lost was being a data analyst, db admin, webdev, etc for the largest non profit in Seattle … that served and housed the homeless community.
They didn’t give a fuck about myself becoming homeless, despite me personally knowing half the people that man the phones, despite myself having overhauled the online application for assistance process.
… So anyway, yeah I don’t have any paperwork anymore, beyond debt collectors harassing me for bills run up on my stolen credit cards.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/campaigns/claiming-asylum.html?utm_campaign=ircc-ircc-safe-and-orderly-migration&utm_source=ggl&utm_medium=sem&utm_content=ad-text-en&adv=2425-675252&utm_term=seeking+asylum+in+canada&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA8Lu9BhA8EiwAag16b6LOjOTRtO5U-ONr2JZ-1jG3qY3HzZA9vIko_osgAX5db3KHgnDyQBoCoTkQAvD_BwE I don’t think you could be considered for asylum in Canada as of yet. Generally, you need to be facing persecution from your state, which personal suffering within a state does not quite qualify. I’m not aware of any country that accepts refugees on the basis that the country being fled does not provide housing or healthcare. Not saying we ought not, but that is the truth of asylum systems.
Guess I’ll die, then.
Its taken me over a solid year of doing my own PT everyday to be able to kind of walk for more than 30 minutes without screaming pain.
I dunno, for Canada, I’ve got two bachelors degreea that might help count toward the points system thing as a highly qualified worker, but last time I looked at the scoresheet, wasn’t enough… and I can still only type in short bursts before my right hand and wrist are in agony, so I can’t do any serious computer work, and now I have a 2+ year gap in my job history.
Again, if SSDI gets cut off for me, I will just die.
SNAP is already getting curtailed… and if you don’t have an address, because you have no home, because you have no income, you can’t apply for SNAP.
So I’ll starve, as all the homeless shelters are already at max capacity, and most don’t allow you to stay inside all day, who cares if it’s a blizzard or a heat wave.
America is quickly becoming a 3rd world nation. Person to person I am sorry for your circumstance and hope some semblance of social services still exist there in the coming months and years.
I know that you mean a “shithole” country, but I think 2nd world country is more accurate here
Pretty sure America was never really a first world country, it just seemed that way
…as it rolls down a hill toward the end of cliff.
No, fleeing because you’d otherwise starve is what our neoliberal government calls an “economic migration”.
You’re only a legit refugee when your government is trying to kill you directly, like right now. In that case, you can apply for asylum, but please do so before leaving your country, and allow 5-10 years for processing your application.
This meme is stupid and the thread is full of people who say “the Americans should fix it”
Sure let’s go protest and get shot dead by our own new gestapo.
Fuck off.
What we really need is action but we are too cowed.
Victim blaming. How enlightened.
Americans seeing themselves as the center of the world and primary (or only?) victims here, when American foreign policy is wreaking havoc on the international community. We’re not focused on you, as Americans, because your government is currently trying to fuck us and we’re dealing with that. We can have compassion for what you’re going through, just don’t expect much support as we have our own shit to deal with.
We can have compassion for what you’re going through, just don’t expect much support as we have our own shit to deal with.
That’s perfectly fair. That’s also not the message the meme conveys.
Yes, it is. The meaning of this meme is “ok, you have shit going on, not our present concern”.
Not really. If that was the case, the conversation between Europe and Canada would be about some of their many internal concerns. Instead they are talking about the orange clown. When Americans, the most directly affected victims of this fascist regime’s policies, try to interact amd commiserate about Cheeto Jesus’ bullshit, Europe and Canada give them a “ok cool fuck off” thumbs up.
That’s pretty straightforward.
You also seem to think we’re sitting here just discussing America and/or your president. I assure you, we’re not, we’re talking about how to reorganize our global community to not involve America. America is noted as a former ally, not as a central aspect of our collective future. Canada and Europe discussing new trade agreements only has to do with American as far as they will not be involved in those trade agreements.
You also seem to think we’re sitting here just discussing America and/or your president.
Not at all. I don’t make generalizations about the people of an entire country, much less a continent. I am only commenting on the meme.
Americans are victims to their own government is completely different ways than the rest of the world. Your status as a victim does not grant you access to be a commentator on all other conversations occurring. The is no blame there, only a lack of validation of you being a victim.
The individualistic “me fist” attitude of Americans, no matter how marginalized they seem to be, is infuriating. Do you even recognize and discuss how much global strife is caused to the global south on a daily basis for a century directly because of American interest? Seriously, get fucked if you think anyone in the world should be putting any American’s interests above their own at this juncture of history. With that said, I fully support the international community asylum opportunities and hope they are helpful to Americans facing political persecution.
The irony… https://imgur.com/a/x9GTjqT
How have the fascist regime’s policies affected the rest of the world? Sure, the States draconian policies are terrible and we will be standing up to them at an international level, but you want the rest of the world to put you first while your government is being openly antagonistic to us. Are you first concerns not with Russian, North Korean or chinese citizens who still have less freedom of expression than any American?
Imma be totally real with you boss, our(American) government is trying just as hard to fuck us(the citizens).
Ok, so form separatist factions we can align with on an international level. Otherwise, we’re dealing with nation to nation negotiations. How much have the American people reached out to individually support the people of Iran, North Korea or Russia? Spoiler: not much of fuck all. Why should the international community now do intently care about individual American lives?
i don’t want your support i want the EU to fucking intervene before the american government make things much, much worse for everyone
To intervene in US internal policies? A lot of nations are standing up to America. I don’t see the use in Americans chiming in on non-american inter-nation negotiations that are working to punish America. You’re inside the machine, take up the front where it exists for you. Work at creating factions to fight America from within America that the international community can support. At this point it’s as organized as ANTIFA (not a slander against ANTIFA, but if you really want to fight fascism it needs to go a step further).
you might not be aware of this because of america’s long historic tradition of propaganda but Americans are very scared of their government, of organizing against it and of saying what they think should happen to the oligarchs and fascists that have come to rule the USA. so I’m not going to say what I think the EU ought to do to the USA, but rest assured, if the EU did those things you’d have a lot of ground support
More than ground support is needed - organized resistance groups that are actively engaged as anti-fascist agents are needed. I get why that’s difficult, but that’s where the work from inside the machine is needed first and foremost. Operations in States that also hinder the feds will likely be most fruitful.
When Germany brings in the fourth reich after voting in the AfD in a few years I’m gonna be remembering this lack of basic compassion and empathy for the americans who explicitly tried to stop Trump.
You elected a bully and you’re blaming the victims of that bully for not liking being bullied.
I doubt they personally voted for him.
So what should we do? Just kill ourselves for where we were born even though we don’t agree with anything the government is doing? This is the most shit take I’ve ever seen.
Luigi had the right idea.
Seriously though, I feel for the USAmericans who showed up to the voting booths and have to live in the same country as a bunch of people who voluntarily didn’t or showed up and voted for the talking orange.
and I still get the but democrats bad thing on this platform. one guy was telling me before the election how better than trump was to low a bar. its like dudes im going vote not hitler when hitler is a canidate and no. its not to low of a bar. I don’t know why so many people in my country wanted this and why so many think not preventing it is not the top of things on their priority. Im sorry we let the world down but boycott us and do whatever you can and for my part im going to take care of myself and my family but im avoiding all I can with corporations and the federal government while supporting my local and state governments trying to fight this bs.
Just kill ourselves for where we were born even though we don’t agree with anything the government is doing?
No but talking of the government, there’s some kills to score
And I hope they do, but I’m an out of shape, untrained, financially drained nobody, I’m not going to be the one to pull off saving the world.
Protest in a way that has results?
Perfect. Could be a better finger choice but really accurate.
I just want you to take me with you :((((
I have not see this happen, whut?
I’m with Zellensky, the “interesting” thing will turn out to be, whether or not Mr. “no foreign wars” is going to put US boots on the ground in Ukraine to back it’s complete surrender to Russia, and if Europe will start marching troops into Ukraine wearing “were not NATO” tshirts
The only good decision I remember Trump making was leaving Afghanistan, so this is very unlikely.
Releasing the captured Taliban from prison before doing so has resulted in a huge amount of oppression in Afghanistan.
Worst President in US history and Americans voted him in again.
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Yes, yes, we’ve all read the OP…
Every country despises you complacent and dumb Americans.
I think that’s a little exaggerated, but even if it were 100% accurate it’s not like America hasn’t earned the reputation.
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The fragile downvoters
