A community looking after themselves? Nice in theory but

• won’t work for bigger cities where nobody gives a rats ass for others
• won’t work in countries without free guns. How else should a community defend themselves?
• organized crime will always beat local yokels with guns. Now they just can do it freely.
• who organizes it? Who votes whom? And in the end someone is doing nothing but organizing everything and cashing in. Up the point where he needs protection for his wealth and starts adapting rules. Back to square 1.

I see you’re not sure of an alternative, i wouldn’t have one to offer either. Where’s light there’s shadow. And the worst problem is always: people. Homo homini lupus est. Always has been, allways will be. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t optimize police where necessary. But personally I’m quite glad they’re 3 numbers dialed away to quickly help first, ask later. You can even call them drunk so they drive you back home for free or at least call u a cab😁

Sure they would protect my properties too. So unless you are totally against property (then you’d totally be right and we wouldn’t argue), how else should i protect it? I don’t work but I’m still sometimes not at home and glad the cops would be here in 5mins in case of an alarm.

That might be true for the US, as they’re a shitty capitalist hellhole. Here we have nearly zero incidents, extremely low level of gun-usage and they’re not just capital-protectors. They’re helpers in all kind, even as a taxi if need be. E.g. Who’d you gonna call if your SO beats you or just won’t leave your house? Or anything else where someone stronger (or better armed) than you threatens you in some way? Popo is here in 5m tops. Remember that noone has guns here and we’re not at liberty to shoot intruders even if we had guns.

While i don’t argue about inequality mostly being the reason for violence/whatever, the cops aren’t the enemy. As said in another comment, they’re just doing their shitty job. As kids we see them as heroes (not fear them like in the US), so many just become cops as a kids-dream, not even thinking about if that’s a good thing. I’d argue that a banking-employee or basically any other employee that works for a billionaire, are the real enemy and evil. Who cares about the lowest end in the chain aka coos? I don’t.

Maybe the billionaires running this planet? Who all just have the best of our future at heart

When you grow up some day, you might notice who’s your real enemy. As it surely ain’t the stupid cop who’s just doing another stupid job of all those stupid other jobs in a stupid society of stupid people running after stupid pieces of paper with stupid numbers on it.

Wow, such argument, many insight. Hope you’ll never need a cop (and you’re not murican) 😉

I was talking about real cops in more civilised countries. Not untrained us-american gun-monkeys. For the US my statement surely isn’t valid.

There might be bad daily incidents here too. Sure. Even if it were 10, what about the tens of thousands of incidents where cops just were helpful and/or protective? Same like with plane-accidents. Millions don’t happen but the one that does makes the media.

I really don’t see the problems you do. Cops here are highly selected (a weekend full of assessments of all kind, physical, intellectual and psychological evaluation). From like 300 participants, 0-3 get chosen. Then follows 3 years of training and regular checks. Not every country is like the USA which seems to recruit nutjobs and then give them a 2 week crash course.

But, for the sake of the argument: what is the alternative? No cops at all? What do you do if you’re in need of help? Elect cops? That already seems to work great with politicians /s

I don’t know in what shithole of a country you guys live to hate cops, but here they are just decent, helpful protectors they ought to be. Never ever met one single piece-of-shit-cop in my life. There surely are rotten apples, but that is due to being human, not being a cop. There is no field of anything where everything’s sunshine and lollipops. Maybe it’s a case of how you treat them? You know, like give respect, earn respect? That thing?

Military!

/s

Wonderfully put, kind internet-stranger-sir. I have done the same observations and conclusions. Now we both can add a +1 on the drawer “this specific observation might be objective reality”. And due to the +1 the unquantifiable became a tiny bit more quantifiable. Even though there is no clear numerical target. Which also makes it totally useless to add a +1 😊

Seems nice, but no root as far as I’ve seen, which kills it for ne

Sure, count me in. Glad to be a part of the zip-show 😉

I saw them as a child and found them totally stupid. Wild west pew pew but in space. Not everone who grew up with them loves them. If they were made today, noone would bat an eye over the mediocre story 😁

Which one? When? Curiously asking.

Who needs to get over whom? Probably the ad-hominem hero. Talking about science but behaving like an agitated chimp. Go work less and chill more 😁

I prefer civilized discussion, so… Have a nice life.

Science doesn’t say we need meat. Also very specially not the crappy processed toxic waste the majority consumes as “meat”.

But ever tried a diet only existing of plants/fruits OR meat? Guess on which you’d live longer? Exactly.

And again, no vegan here. Just also sick of this super old “but science says we need meat”.

I know. I was an animal rights activist once (in a time where “vegan” was either an insult or noone knew what it even was). Based on way too much knowledge about what we do with other beings.

And i didn’t say “it’s ethical”, but a local farm where the cows got names and live a great life (up until they stop doing so) surely beats industrialized farming ethically. I doubt you wanna argue there, except you only can live in a binary world (harm/don’t harm) . But that would be impossible as a vegan. Unless you’re one (i just assumed) because it’s fashionable or trendy or just edgy.

Btw something being “humane” doesn’t really mean anything ethical. Being sadistic shit-sticks who rape the whole planet raw until there’s nothing left is actuallly very “humane”. No other species is that horribly aweful.

I know. Same here. Probably the same everywhere. But still pissing me off

You know what’s funny?

People say that like forever. And those “vegan cultists” we told that 3 decades ago (and we were waiting for them to die of malnutrition) are still healthy and happy while the average supermarket-joe got fat and unhappy or is long dead by now.

I’m no vegan btw. but why would i argue with science? Just because we evolved to be able to eat nearly everything doesn’t mean we should. We could probably survive a good while on just eating hoofs or tree bark. Doesn’t mean we should include it in our diet.

Same. Me too. When i buy meat, then it’s only organic and the best ethical treatment I can find. And also waaaaaay less in general. It just became bad in every sense of way and plant-based stuff has gotten so much better over the last 3 decades.

Only thing that pisses me off is that the food my food eats is even more expensive for no apparent reason (edit: yes ofc i know the socio-economic reasons. As a consumer i just don’t care. That’s what i meant)