I think this is a great write up and shows why it doesn’t make sense to opt out, votes on the fediverse like anything else shared over activitypub are public, an opt out doesn’t change that.

Personally I think that a service like Lemvotes should fight against this as much as possible, some people have and admins have made slanderous and outright evil accusations towards them as a result but it ultimately doesn’t matter. This place is open and public, all activitypub data is shared publicly. If someone running a server doesn’t like that, they should move to whitelist mode or turn federation off entirely.

Providing server admins with easy opt-out while still remaining public hurts the viability of a server like that and encourages decisions based on a false sense of privacy.

I’m not a fan of this, it gives a false sense of privacy in the Fediverse. Voting data is public even if specific tools to view it decide to cater to the desires of admins. It’s very easy for developers to just not do that, and it has been done before.

I don’t see why the name should be different I mean Seinfeld is both the name of a show and the name of a person. I think it’s fine the way it is :)

Have you tried using Tor yet, also potentially Mullvad Browser with a VPN since Mullvad’s Browser has similar anti-fingerprinting and anti-tracking capabilities but for use outside the Tor Network.

Also there is a lot of disinformation surrounding hardware based bans on Websites, typically pushed as fearmongering by Reddit’s moderators. Websites on modern secure browsers can’t read your hardware identifiers because modern secure web browsers are Sandboxed. Of course this doesn’t apply to Reddit’s mobile app so don’t use that ever really.

Also you need to use a different email since they check for matching emails.

Absolutely not, this is a terrible idea considering that they were defederated for being toxic and aggressive to our overall community, and also many people there are disingenuous in their takes, it’s not a discussion community, it’s brigading. The only way I could ever support anything like this is if their domain expired and someone used it to make a completely different instance.

That hasn’t happened so I can’t support this.

I usually have one with me because the place I work at keeps the AC very cold and it can get uncomfortable. Though I don’t usually wear it outside when it’s warm.

People still think it’s weird though that I’m wearing a sweater even though in the building it can be as cold as 3°C and while that feels nice at first when you get in from the heat, it gets old after about 2 hours.

Disengage

No I meant Norse Hell. And if it’s too cold for you, that’s kind of the point.

Hell

Corporations want people to act like their EULAs are written in blood when they’re just ramblings of an entitled child on the playground. What are you going to do? Ban them again?

This is definitely giving me Twilight Princess vibes.

What’s the issue if most instances don’t run with a karma system? So you might get low karma’d in some piefed instances that you don’t post from?

That would be the case if most instances operated like that but most don’t. Most will ultimately have it enabled, and if most of them have it enabled it will affect users even on ones where it is turned off.

The modlogs have already been made public by Rimu due to popular demand.

Is this a piefed.social change or a piefed software change. If it’s the ladder then that’s good and it’s not really an issue anymore. If it’s the former it’s still a big trust issue because it can presumably be turned off and on at will, by making it hardcoded it can still be disabled but it’s more work, requires maintaining a fork and basically guarantees that 99% of modlogs will be there and be recording.

Of course not, but enough do that it’ll become a problem. Something to consider is that for many admins the default options might as well be hardcoded since they are not attentive enough to turn it off, but for others. Karma requirements are enticingly lazy solutions for moderation, and turning modlog off is also enticing because it makes it easier to hide when things are removed and people are banned.

Honestly I don’t think it matters much since what admins can do isn’t usually what they will do. Defaults matter, and also it’s very tempting for them to disable some features like modlogs that it will be done disproportionately.

But also the problem with the Karma features is that they are present on all of them, turning it off in yours doesn’t make the issue go away and doesn’t prevent people from abusing it the way subreddits abuse Karma scores right now.

Vote manipulation is continuously monitored, people like @MrKaplan@lemmy.world have created tools to identify vote manipulation

Wow it’s like you didn’t read what I wrote at all. I literally gave an example of how people can squeak by @MrKaplan@lemmy.world and @rimu@piefed.social’s vote manipulation detection by voting in specific ways. Those same tactics can apply to boosting one’s own score positively, not just punching down others.

Most of the time when I see someone with a reputation warning on Piefed, combined with the “new user” icon, they’re a toxic user that usually gets banned a few hours of days later.

The current threshold is perfectible (see the comment below), but it’s still something.

This is absolutely going to be automated by the laziest and most incompetent fediverse admins, and unless you set the threshold very high it will be exploited. I’m never going to support karma requirements like on Reddit, asking the community to vet users with votes (which people misuse anyway already) is already asking for problems, and is by design hostile towards new users.

Now I find the sentiment around piefed to be highly suspicious since a majority of Lemmy users on the Fediverse aren’t favorable to the idea of Karma requirements or built-in social credit systems based on user voting. At best they are compliant due to their habits acquired from using Reddit, but they aren’t going out of their way to ask for it and want that aspect of Reddit back. So I think this push for Social Credit voting controlled moderation features seems suspicious to say the least.

I’m Agender so close enough. Also unfortunately my favorite pie isn’t on here. It’s peach pie.

No, sorry. I don’t agree. I don’t think that users votes should be given power besides ranking in the feeds, vote manipulation is already a big problem if they think they can get people banned or limited over voting they’ll do it even more aggressively. This isn’t Reddit and vote fuzzing or throwing out votes won’t work the same, federation makes this super messy and unreliable. People voting from remote instances can easily manipulate the score. Especially if they upvote everything else or randomly upvote a larger majority than downvote, while still targeting specific people.

You don’t seem to understand. Karma on Lemmy is ripe for abuse in ways not even dreamed on Reddit. There’s a reason the Lemmy devs did everything in their power to hinder the ability of weaponizing score.

Also since Piefed puts so much emphasis on voter anonymity so it makes that problem even worse since it makes it harder to catch if they take steps to hide their ratio.

So no, this is not acceptable. Please don’t try to use the shutdown of lemm.ee to justify harsher draconian measures, which themselves are flawed and ripe for abuse. The reason they shut down was ultimately because they tried to be something they couldn’t with a team that couldn’t handle it. They wanted to be THE Lemmy server, the one everyone goes to. Kinda like Lemmy.world but they were not cut out for it and they learned the lesson the hard way.

This is probably one of the best ones out there, it’s based on a fork of Prism which has authlib support and FTB modpack support, and also has the Microsoft account DRM removed so you can use it without a valid Microsoft account.

I’m pretty firmly against this since Piefed has those same Karma and user score systems that made Reddit so toxic but with the bonus of being able to exclude communities from giving you upvotes (but not downvotes). Karma is literally a lighter version of social credit and I don’t support it. Also pretty against the fact that piefed literally lets admins turn off modlog sharing which is concerning to say the least and should concern people here considering we’ve built a whole community around mod accountability.

So yeah I don’t support the move to piefed but since “everyone” is going gaga for piefed I’m sure this instance will end up getting a piefed instance to go with the trend and may even abandon Lemmy altogether, I really hope not I do kind of like Lemmy, but this seems the way things are going.

Netflix’s short stint with FMV / chooe-your-own adventure games highlights a perfect case of difficult preservation - all the runtimes are closed source apps, all the data is streamed from a server, and all the logic is held on the server.

Add to that the fact that a lot of these types of non-standard content have low engagement and interest. Which is what ultimately makes preservation and piracy harder. If you had a lot of interest it would be difficult but not impossible to recreate some of the interactive elements around them, and extract/decrypt the video content. But without interest it’s more difficult. Also ironically the lack of interest is why these things are being sunsetted in the first place. It’s kind of a perfect storm in that they are hard to preserve and there is also low interest in preserving them as well.