Gov. Kathy Hochul and other leading Democrats blasted the rally as “abhorrent and morally repugnant.”

A pro-Palestinian rally Sunday in Times Square endorsed by the city chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America ensnared prominent party members amid widespread condemnation of the event.

Gov. Kathy Hochul and other leading Democrats blasted the rally as “abhorrent and morally repugnant” and drew a dividing line with far-left members of the party — including New York Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Jamaal Bowman, who denounced the attacks and called for a ceasefire but didn’t take a stand on the rally.

“I condemn Hamas’ attack in the strongest possible terms,” Ocasio-Cortez said in a statement. “No child and family should ever endure this kind of violence and fear, and this violence will not solve the ongoing oppression and occupation in the region. An immediate ceasefire and de-escalation is urgently needed to save lives.”

  • mwguy@infosec.pub
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    1 year ago

    Is that accurate in Gaza? Gaza has the 1967 borders, broad fiscal and in kind aid built in. Political autonomy, a foreign, non-Israeli border and zero settlements with existing settlers being forced at gunpoint to leave almost 20 years ago.

    Gaza could easily “struggle” by building an actual democratic society, wealthy enough to fund a legitimate war against Israel. Instead it chooses to fund it’s multimillionaire leaders and their foreign mansions and spend whatever it can on weapons of war and enslaving it’s neighbors.

    • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
      155·
      1 year ago

      Political autonomy, a foreign, non-Israeli border and zero settlements with existing settlers being forced at gunpoint to leave almost 20 years ago.

      They’re also subjected to a blockade that’s turning the country into an open-air prison.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip#Limitation_of_basic_goods

      There’s more reasons for Gazans to fight Israel, but the elephant in the room is the blockade. It’s legitimately impossible to build a functional state under these conditions no matter how much democracy you have (though the lack of democracy probably isn’t helping).

      • mwguy@infosec.pub
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        1 year ago

        They’re also subjected to a blockade that’s turning the country into an open-air prison.

        And now you see why. With the aid that did get through instead of improving the lives of it’s citizens, Hamas choose to invest in a strike force and rockets to attack and enslaved Israelis.

        They also have a border with Egypt that’s closed, not by Israel but by Egypt because of their countries actions.

        There’s more reasons for Gazans to fight Israel

        Hamas isn’t meeting Israel on an open field or even targeting military and logistical sites (roads, bridges, airports etc…) in a guerilla campaign. Their raiding Israel for slaves, and raping and killing the captives like it’s 2000 years ago.

        Nothing I can imagine, Hamas could have chosen to do could justify the blockade and Israel’s past actions more than what they did.

        • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
          12·
          1 year ago

          With the aid that did get through instead of improving the lives of it’s citizens, Hamas choose to invest in a strike force and rockets to attack and enslaved Israelis.

          I mean they’re not exactly getting money that can be invested; they’re getting resources. I don’t know what rockets are made of so I don’t know if it’s coming from foreign aid, but given that Israel bans any and all “double-use” aid I don’t see that being possible.

          Their raiding Israel for slaves, and raping and killing the captives like it’s 2000 years ago.

          Yeah that’s just indefensible.

          • mwguy@infosec.pub
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            1 year ago

            I don’t know what rockets are made of so I don’t know if it’s coming from foreign aid, but given that Israel bans any and all “double-use” aid I don’t see that being possible.

            Metal and/or PVC pipes and concrete or cement with a variety of common construction explosives or common chemicals used as rocket fuel. A.K.A the supplies needed to build homes add baisc plumbing and build irrigation networks for desert farming.

            Yeah that’s just indefensible.

            Read through this thread, it’s being defended.

            • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
              13·
              1 year ago

              Metal and/or PVC pipes and concrete or cement with a variety of common construction explosives or common chemicals used as rocket fuel.

              AFAIK these things aren’t entering through the blockade anyway.

              Read through this thread, it’s being defended.

              Those are probably the communists so I guess they’ll defend anything.

              • mwguy@infosec.pub
                21·
                1 year ago

                AFAIK these things aren’t entering through the blockade anyway.

                Not right now, but they were largely being let in after inspection before. A few years ago Hamas started policing internal terrorists that would independently launch rockets at Israel. In exchange Israel loosened the rules to allow more goods in quicker through the blockade. At the time it was seen as a sign that maybe Moderates had gained power in Hamas and peace could be possible.