Fuck you reddit 2.0, took you long enough. Thanks though, we’ll stop seeing your crap posters pollute our comment section from now on.
90% of people we ban come from world. Very funny that they said they saw a rise of hate speech from our instance though considering the worlders we ban are fucking genocidal maniacs and fascists. You can check the modlog (it’s unfortunately federated), we are one of the tamest instances when it comes to banning people and deleting comments/posts.
For any worlder that was based and liked interacting with lemmygrad (you will notice we did not ban good faith participants), I recommend you make an account on a third-party instance that federates with us, like ml or ee until they also defederate from us because we have principles 🙃
Fuck israel, Palestine will be free a month from now mark my words 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
On top of that, for the worlders finally breathing free again now that the scary tankies are away, you think the USSR wasn’t communist or whatever. You base that on whatever you’ve been taught in school. We’ve read things. We’ve actually gone beyond whatever our high school teachers said and looked into the USSR for ourselves. If you’re not cowards you will debate us about communism and “totalitarian” regimes, we’ll wipe the floor with you. Bet you don’t even know where the world totalitarian comes from or who coined it without looking it up.
And we retain our perfect track record of not blocking real instances while you further isolate yourselves from anything that might cause you some amount of discomfort. Really good democracy you got going there where wannabe tech bros instance admins decide for you what you’re allowed to see, must be those liberal values I hear so much about.
I don’t think this is any sort of a fair depiction. There are a fair number of zionists and ignorants on the board, but most take the position of standing with Palestine while l denouncing the actions of Hamas.
I understand that frustrated lefties are just overcorrecting because they’re upset people don’t see the obvious of the situation in Israel, but that doesn’t make cheering for mindless violence and the death of unrelated citizens less abhorrent.
You can’t say ‘you stand with palestine’ while denying the people that Palestine stands with. You literally do not get to do that. This is not a bifurcated conflict. If Palestinian marxists and even unbased civilians decided that Hamas was good enough for them, that’s the end of your input on the situation-- otherwise, you’re not with them. You’re just two steps from both-sidesing Israel’s settler-colonial genocide.
I cannot wait to see what happens when Black folk start cultivating proper leaders again; y’all’d probably fuck us yet again. “Oh, I don’t agree with the armed coalition militia” when we spent 400 years under peckerwood oppression; that’s what you’re doing to Palestinian civilians when you denounce some of the only people willing to actually protect them.
And there are no civilians in Israel except the kids. Israel is a military conscription state. Everyone who isn’t a child either serves, or has served the IDF. They’re all legal combatants according to Amerikan RoEs.
Palestine hasn’t had an election since 2006 when Hamas won with 40% of the vote. Furthermore, adults are fearful to speak out against Hamas, fearing violence as retribution. If you truly believe Hamas to be the Palestinian will, I don’t know what to say other than that you have less than zero knowledge of this conflict.
Wow, that’s wild. How did Hamas end up being the only game in town? Did somebody bankroll them and kill any moderate opposition? Jamie, look that shit up.
You’re preaching to the choir dude.
That doesn’t make the shit they do less fucked up though, just as Israel’s response to this attack isn’t made any less horrific just because Hamas murdered some people.
You’re not gonna get me to cheer the deaths of random people just because their government’s actions are the reason for their deaths.
How consistent are you with this? I assume you think the Haitian Revolution was wrong too?
Good point.
What do you think the “Palestinian will” is?
Just do another peaceful protest and pray they don’t get murdered again while everyone in the West acts like nothing happened?
Also, just voting doesn’t tell you the full story. Is it not possible that while Palestinians would rather not take such measures, all other alternatives have been exhausted?
I’m having trouble finding current polls, perhaps because of an active war, but it seems this operation has led to a surge in support for Hamas.
The citizens of a colony are not unrelated to colonialism
Yeah because clearly all the dead children were actively pushing Palestinians out. You’re an actual chucklefuck, y’know that?
Why are you spilling tears over the handful of dead Israeli children but not the hundreds of dead Palestinian kids who do not have bomb shelters to go to, who are unable to leave the tiny Gaza strip, who have been living like this all their life?
And please don’t imply “both sides are killing children and that’s bad”. One side may or may not have made child casualties as part of their methodical liberation operation that targeted military installations and personnel, the other (Israel) is just indiscriminately bombing everything that moves in Gaza and has been doing it nonstop for 4 days, day in and day out.
Because I’m not worried about condemning Israel as they’re clearly genociding Palestine and anybody that can’t see that is just not worth my time. What worries me is the great number of people that don’t seem to understand that mindless violence towards children and civilians isn’t the answer, and more importantly, won’t ensure anything except more Palestinian death.
(clearly the genocidal terror-state is going to respond how it normally does)
I don’t disagree that Israel will most likely level the Gaza Strip. It’s incredibly sickening that western powers continue to support them in this, and even more sickening that individuals (who don’t have strategic reasons to support Israel) still support them.
I’ll leave you with this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Abu_Awwad#:~:text=Ali Abu Awwad
You can support Palestine and its liberation without supporting Hamas and the actions thereof, something people don’t seem to understand for some reason.
“I’m not worried about condemning Nazi Germany as they’re clearly genociding Jews and anybody that can’t see that is just not worth my time. What worries me is the great number of people that don’t seem to understand that mindless violence towards children and civilians isn’t the answer … You can support the Jews and their liberation without supporting the Allies and the actions thereof, something people don’t seem to understand for some reason.”
Holy cow, this response sounds like you think fighting the Nazis was wrong.
There’s thousands of Zionists in the world who don’t see that. Why are communists on Lemmygrad more “deserving” (I guess is the right word) of your time than those Zionists who are whitewashing war crimes at this very moment?
The violence from Palestine is not mindless. As I said they target military structures. It is the last resort for their survival.
We’re still at square one; why are you clutching pearls over Hamas maybe or maybe not killing a handful of Israeli children who didn’t get evacuated in time when the sirens started sounding in the settlements and not admonishing zionists over their continued support of the genocide currently going on in Gaza?
Ah yes, music festivals and villages, the classic military structures…
Thank you for proving you are actually a zionist yourself, you can drop the pretenses now.
Libs debate without knowlege and get angry very quickly when it doesn’t work.
Could it be that you, who have “looked into it” by way of being spoon-fed a couple recent articles, are wrong?
Not only it that impossible, you also got so angry at the guy you were talking with you resorted to name calling.
Your never brought a single link
Shouldn’t you be ashamed rather than angry? Because this small exchange paints a pretty clear picture of your ass
I never claimed they were beheaded, just dead, which has been verified at this point. It seems that you are the misinformed one here. Nobody else brought links either btw? Dunno why burden of proof is on me, but not “your side”.
I insult because the people I’m replying to are sickening individuals that aren’t interested in debating in earnest and instead focus on shifting the goalposts and controlling the narrative in order to make themselves sound “right”. It’s honestly not worth my time and I (probably) won’t be replying again.
If you mean the same “40”, no, nothing has been verified that I have seen, with the IDF explicitly rejecting the request to substantiate their claim. Children certainly have been killed, but that targeted slaughter of 40 infants seems to be fictional, to say nothing of the means of killing.
Not referring to this whatsoever. I don’t gobble up IDF bullshit, just as I refuse to gobble up yours.
I think the equivocation is unfair. I’m not giving you any misinformation, let alone such blatant atrocity propaganda, am I?
If you want a source for a claim made here, feel free to ask the commenter who made it.
So what claim of mine do you want sources for? This is called a double standard. Say it with me now
Duh-bel stan-dard
If they want sources for my claims they should ask me for sources on the specific claims I made rather than pointing out my lack of documentation in an attempt to undermine my arguments.
Off the top of my head, it would be nice if you sourced that we’re allegedly “cheering for mindless violence and the death of unrelated citizens”
I don’t think anyone here specifically is calling for death of unrelated citizens beyond what is absolutely unavoidable in war. Surely you can understand the distinction here, as this is not calling for mindless violence but actually the end of it.
Shooting up a music festival is not ‘unavoidable in war’ lmaooo.
Do you even read what you type before hitting reply?
I’m just as upset as you presumably are that the parents of those kids were keeping them so close to an open air prison and site of such violent conflict. That’s not a safe place for kids and it’s tragic that those kids died as a consequence of the negligence of their shitty, colonizer parents.