I think it’s the fault of Capello really, who was so foreign, quite cold, terse, with not a great command of the language, and hugely underperformed with squad cohesion (ie, the soft side of the job) being a failure of the team. Not that I’m putting all the blame on Capello… the media and the players all have to take some share of that. Also, his style was of his time.
I think if we had a warm and cuddly foreign manager with great English, like Klopp was when he first started at Liverpool (he’s a bit more jaded now), then the FA would consider it. Even if you’re a Southgate doubter, you can’t deny that he’s made such huge progress on squad cohesion.
Just to add to this, there’s no way the FA haven’t taken notice of Wiegman being such a success. As long as they speak decent English and will throw themselves into the job, I think they’d be open to a non-English person.
That’s precisely the reason I’m not keen on the idea of Mourinho taking over. The atmosphere in the squad is incredibly harmonious and I just don’t see him carrying that on. We can’t afford to have a fractious dressing room.
I couldn’t care less personally, foreign managers of national teams have been a thing since the beginning and why handicap yourself when others won’t do the same?
Correlation not causation, the World Cup has only been won by countries with a rich history of football that means they’re capable of producing great managerial talent too.
That’s obviously not to say England is incapable of producing world class managers, but for various reasons English managers’ career progression is more limited in England.
That is true, but I don’t think that means it’s impossible for a foreign manager to win a World Cup. I think that’s just a sign that the elite nations don’t need to hire foreign managers because they have plenty of domestic managers to choose from.
Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Italy, France, and Spain have never been managed by a foreign manager at a World Cup. We don’t know if they’re capable of winning a World Cup with a foreign manager because they’ve never tried.
England couldn’t get past the WC Quarterfinals with Eriksson and Capello, but they still did better than the English managers before and after them. Netherlands made it to the 1978 WC Final with Austrian Ernst Happel as manager. And Belgium 2018 and Portugal 2006 made it to the WC Semi-Finals with foreign managers.
However when England tried it they actually managed to handicap themselves with the couldn’t give a fuck at the time Fabio Capello. Remember the Capello Index?
and why handicap yourself when others won’t do the same?
Most do thought don’t they? The only nations that often hire foreign managers are the African nations no? Is there any major national team that had a foreign manager recently?
Oh ja! I don’t know why I forgot Martinez with Belgium/Portugal. Scolari was ages ago lol, may as well mention Capello at England too. Carlo may be the next one with Brazil.
Maybe that’s because top teams rarely appoint foreign managers? Foreign managers can’t win the Euros or the World Cup with France or Germany or whatever if they don’t even get appointed to begin with
If England want to win a trophy it won’t be the manager who wins it, it will be the players. At the last Euros the squad was good, and maybe should have won, but they just didnt have the experience or the stature to take it all the way. Now there’s players like Kane and Bellingham, the best players at two of the biggest clubs in the world, and several Champions League winners in the squad they know how to win - the manager can be anyone who gives them the platform to take it on.
He was until the 2010 tournament where he decided to ditch the tactics that brought us to the tournament and play a brexit 4-4-2 with Emile motherfucking Heskey up top. I’m still fuming about that 13 years later.
Honestly not the worst appointment. Struggled at Chelsea but that’s less on him and more on the shit behind the scenes. Better manager than Southgate at least.
Potter failed to implement his tactics and philosophy at Chelsea despite working with the players every single day. What makes people think he would have the time to implement his tactics when he only gets to see his players for a week or 2 every couple of months? Teams that do well at national team level tend to go with basic football. Spain could play their intricate football because the majority of their team played together at club level too.
England will end up hiring Graham Potter
Might stick a few quid on this, not sure why the FA insist England must have an English manager but hey-ho.
I think it’s the fault of Capello really, who was so foreign, quite cold, terse, with not a great command of the language, and hugely underperformed with squad cohesion (ie, the soft side of the job) being a failure of the team. Not that I’m putting all the blame on Capello… the media and the players all have to take some share of that. Also, his style was of his time.
I think if we had a warm and cuddly foreign manager with great English, like Klopp was when he first started at Liverpool (he’s a bit more jaded now), then the FA would consider it. Even if you’re a Southgate doubter, you can’t deny that he’s made such huge progress on squad cohesion.
Just to add to this, there’s no way the FA haven’t taken notice of Wiegman being such a success. As long as they speak decent English and will throw themselves into the job, I think they’d be open to a non-English person.
That’s precisely the reason I’m not keen on the idea of Mourinho taking over. The atmosphere in the squad is incredibly harmonious and I just don’t see him carrying that on. We can’t afford to have a fractious dressing room.
For no particular reason, I kinda prefer the manager of England to be English, though.
I couldn’t care less personally, foreign managers of national teams have been a thing since the beginning and why handicap yourself when others won’t do the same?
The world cup has never been won by a manager managing a country different to his own nationality
Greece didn’t win a World Cup but I’d still say it was a good deal to bring in a foreign manager
Correlation not causation, the World Cup has only been won by countries with a rich history of football that means they’re capable of producing great managerial talent too.
That’s obviously not to say England is incapable of producing world class managers, but for various reasons English managers’ career progression is more limited in England.
That is true, but I don’t think that means it’s impossible for a foreign manager to win a World Cup. I think that’s just a sign that the elite nations don’t need to hire foreign managers because they have plenty of domestic managers to choose from.
Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Italy, France, and Spain have never been managed by a foreign manager at a World Cup. We don’t know if they’re capable of winning a World Cup with a foreign manager because they’ve never tried.
England couldn’t get past the WC Quarterfinals with Eriksson and Capello, but they still did better than the English managers before and after them. Netherlands made it to the 1978 WC Final with Austrian Ernst Happel as manager. And Belgium 2018 and Portugal 2006 made it to the WC Semi-Finals with foreign managers.
However when England tried it they actually managed to handicap themselves with the couldn’t give a fuck at the time Fabio Capello. Remember the Capello Index?
but that speaks more to decision makers in the FA being a bunch of incompetents than it is an indictment on the foreign manager.
Ah. Down against Germany in a World Cup and deciding to being on Heskey
Because Heskey was class, yeah.
In 2010?
Class is eternal.
Most do thought don’t they? The only nations that often hire foreign managers are the African nations no? Is there any major national team that had a foreign manager recently?
Last two I remember off the top of my head that weren’t for England are Martinez at Belgium and Phil Scolari at Portugal.
And now Tedesco for Belgium and Martinez for Portugal.
Oh ja! I don’t know why I forgot Martinez with Belgium/Portugal. Scolari was ages ago lol, may as well mention Capello at England too. Carlo may be the next one with Brazil.
No foreign manager has ever won the Euros or World Cup
Maybe that’s because top teams rarely appoint foreign managers? Foreign managers can’t win the Euros or the World Cup with France or Germany or whatever if they don’t even get appointed to begin with
Believe no team with a foreign manager has ever won the World Cup
If England want to win a trophy it won’t be the manager who wins it, it will be the players. At the last Euros the squad was good, and maybe should have won, but they just didnt have the experience or the stature to take it all the way. Now there’s players like Kane and Bellingham, the best players at two of the biggest clubs in the world, and several Champions League winners in the squad they know how to win - the manager can be anyone who gives them the platform to take it on.
I froget but was Capello good with England?
Nope
He was until the 2010 tournament where he decided to ditch the tactics that brought us to the tournament and play a brexit 4-4-2 with Emile motherfucking Heskey up top. I’m still fuming about that 13 years later.
He was awful
England played dire football under him, and the players didn’t like him
It was bad on the pitch, and bad off of it
He had a more talented group than Southgate, to boot
Honestly not the worst appointment. Struggled at Chelsea but that’s less on him and more on the shit behind the scenes. Better manager than Southgate at least.
I think lee carsley is the obvious successor.
Wouldn’t be the worst choice, a bit like Southgate with tactics
Potter failed to implement his tactics and philosophy at Chelsea despite working with the players every single day. What makes people think he would have the time to implement his tactics when he only gets to see his players for a week or 2 every couple of months? Teams that do well at national team level tend to go with basic football. Spain could play their intricate football because the majority of their team played together at club level too.
People seem to be forgetting how well he had Brighton playing prior to joining Chelsea, which is a tough assignment for any manager.
Took a while though the guy had 1 home win in 2020
COVID season though
Still an awful record but yeah
Pochettino and Lampard’s stints show that Potter was not the problem at Chelsea.