Recently, many of our anti-Zionists posts have been downvoted to oblivion by liberals. As hexberians realized a while back, downvotes only help liberals since they are more numerous and they don’t need to engage in discourse. I am proposing to just get rid of downvotes and instead engage in discourse on content that we disagree on.
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Lemmygrad is a shit instance if they can’t handle basic discussion about trans people being harassed and think the correct decision is to ban the trans people who have an issue.
Your problem isn’t that you’re having an issue with trans people harassed, it’s that you’re assuming that we have the exact same problem Hexbear had in that regard, and arguing that we should remove a major site feature on Lemmygrad because of it when it’s never really been a problem here (largely because the admins are so on top of things), and then basically just accusing everyone here who disagrees with that idea of being transphobic and dunking on them for it when that’s not even close to why people here disagree with the idea
Basically, it’s not that we can’t handle discussion about trans people being harassed, it’s that you’re immediately assuming bad faith of everyone here when it’s rather uncalled for, and people here are pretty experienced at spotting bad faith arguments for reasons that should be obvious
I’ve been here long enough that I have absolutely observed it as a problem here, yes.
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Weren’t you the loser that demanded I be ‘respectful’ when I say we should do something about harassment? Have you ever considered that people get angry whenever they suggest, through lived experience, that something decreases harassment, and then you debatelord over it?
Even blahaj can get this shit right, what a fucking joke that you can’t think to be better than a liberal
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awh, are you sad? are you feeling harassed? its almost like they should be removed.
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At this point I hope hexbear defederates from lemmygrad. The civility fetishism here is absolutely disgusting.
Good. Now you know even a modicum of what it feels like to stand up against liberals who run in, argue against your lived experience, and shut you down when you get angry over their precious ‘civility’. Now, think about some of the shit I’ve been through. I’ve had to fucking beg gays in LGBT orgs for years to even get an endorsement of a trans organization. Not even funding, not even material support! An endorsement! And when you become indignant when they won’t even do that, of course they are excited to talk down to you about civility. You have no fucking clue how angry civility fetishism makes me. (and for the record, I hate the Human Rights Campaign, their argument was that our area wasnt ready for trans issues to be publicized in any way and were afraid to stick their necks out for us)
Proactive moderation is better than reactive moderation. We should be improving the tools at our disposal to hedge the worst impulses of social media. As a matter of fact, a proactive approach to this conversation to begin with is not to debate me from the outset, but to ask questions and consider what tools would be better than just removing downvotes. There were some people that went into this line of thinking, but its ultimately unsatisfactory (re: keeping downvotes and showing who is downvoting still can make a user aware they are being harassed. it is better remove vectors of harassment and then focus on the core of what makes a community a community, and usually that is comments).
Behold the prudes who desire not to have shit flung at their faces. This cleanliness fetishism is disgusting.
Your demeanor indicates one thing to me. You need to log the fuck off. I’m not trying to be patronizing, you’ve seemingly completely forgotten how to act like someone worth engaging with.
This shit-flinging tantrum is regarding upvotes/downvotes, not whether trans people deserve human rights or not, try to fucking remember that. It ain’t “civility fetishism” when people ask you to explain yourself after calling them losers and bigots. This is little more than wrecker behavior.
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