• bestmiaou@lemmygrad.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    1 year ago

    The bourgeois was anarchic before his class seized political power and imposed on society the ideal State regime suitable to safeguard the capitalist mode of production

    definitely going to use this in future convos

    • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      I can see the retort being, a now-proletarian anarchic movement can ‘seize[] political power and impose[] on society the ideal State regime suitable to safeguard the [anarchist] mode of production’.

      Still, it’s a good quote and could be used at the same time as the idea that capitalism entails an ‘anarchy of production’, which leads to crises of overproduction. The question becomes, without planning, how do left wing anarchists plan to avoid this problem?

      • WithoutFurtherDelay@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        I think, if you have convinced an anarchist to form a state to defend their anarchist ideals, you have pretty much convinced them of Marxism, just with different words.

        They’re still missing the important Marxist class analysis

    • WithoutFurtherDelay@lemmygrad.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      This is really bad quote to use by itself if you’re trying to “debunk” anarchists. Not because it’s actually a bad quote, but because it seems like one when read naively.

      Even though it’s trying to make a different, much more salient point, it just reads as another version of the “Hitler was a vegan” cliche.