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How is reddit post protest, did it really win over protesters? Did the ones who left make a dent? Or like all things before, did it ultimately do nothing?
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Everything that reddit has that is of any value is the contributions of it’s users. Disrespecting those users will make them leave the platform, if not today, someday soon. Redditors! Choose to delete all your content NOW and let Spez IPO the ashes.
Before you delete, do transfer your content to lemmy or kbin or any fediverse instance. It can only benefit the community the more content we have :)
Can you link some tools to do so?
I’ve seen a few users mentioning their comments have been “undeleted” after a few attempts to remove them, and I’ve also seen comments by [deleted] accounts that still have their comments visible. This was right after the 48hr shutdown period, so it might not be a thing anymore.
Ya they were rolling back mass deleted/edited comments. That was a huge red flag for me, along with censoring info about lemmy etc. I don’t need that in my life.
How can we transfer our content? Is there a script or tool to do so? I assume we only transfer our own posts we made and not any comments
There is a Bot.
I wish I saw this sooner. I deleted my comments yesterday (12+ year reddit account).
It’s still massive and wasn’t going to die over the period of a month. People are looking elsewhere but currently have no good alternatives. Lemmy/kbin is awesome, but still not ready for the entire Reddit community. We’ll get there eventually!
Yep, it’s on us to help move the content and people over to Lemmy. People and search engine will continue to default to Reddit. Eventually so much content will be on Lemmy/Kbin that reddit becomes a thing of the past, hopefully.
we’ll never get there if users keep gatekeeping
I see many people arguing against improving the ux “its not that hard just learn it”
even defederating meta is bad imo, I think people will be more likely to switch over to alternatives if thread is federated, but if we defederate it then everyone will just stay on threads. Defederating only hurts us, not meta
facts, they’re just taking away user choice to block on their own
I have nothing to back this up and I haven’t spent any significant amount of time browsing Reddit since the end of June. Yesterday, a search result took me to a section of Reddit and eyebrowsed through a bit. I feel like the people that left were the people that contributed and a lot of the remaining traffic is the people that just browse. Social media and the internet are not like real world businesses that just tank. Online social media is made up of the people who view it and the people who contribute to it. Facebook became boomers, memes that aren’t as clever as people who post them think they are, You’re great and posting pictures of a family reunion you didn’t know existed, and a substitute for craigslist. It didn’t used to be that way, but I think overall they would say their numbers are solid. Social media evolves, and Reddit is evolving in a direction, that a core group of users who I speculate were some of the more useful contributors, don’t want to participate in. We’re not going to wake up tomorrow and find Reddit gone. But will it ever truly be the front page of the internet again? Will it ever be where I’m glad my search took me for a specific tech problem? Will information that used to be on individual bulletin boards scattered throughout the net which had centralized on Reddit remain on Reddit? Reddit will probably cash out in some way and we’ll be left with the Facebook equivalent of Reddit. If that’s something that quality contributors don’t want to participate in, then it will be even more akin to Facebook. So is it going to go away? Probably not. Could you argue that it’s basically already gone? I would say it’s at least headed that way.
On some of the subs that I still frequent, the content has swiftly deteriorated, and it’s not just due to the still on-going protests anymore. I’m subscribed to something like 50 subs or so, and it’s always a handful of these that show up on my subscribed feed. If I want to find the other subs (some of which I don’t fully recall why I subbed to them) I have to browse down past a lot of crap content, or look at my list and click them individually. In short, the experience has been awful, not to mention that I no longer browse it on my phone when bored.
Reddit is still there as a resource, mostly for Google searches that take me there, but otherwise it feels “dead” to me, in ruins. It will not go away, like you said, it’ll definitely stick around but I think people will gradually move away to other platforms and its content will evolve to something that won’t be relevant to us one day.
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Reddit went from the 5th most visited website in the world to the 20th. That’s not nothing.
Lemme put on my tin foil hat for a second and say that this degrading of reddit was just in time for it to go public. It could only go up from here.
I can’t predict the future, but I think this whole federating thing is good. The internet and its traffic was too localized. The people don’t want to keep being sold.
Now if we could somehow get everyone that uses a site like this to actually PAY - say - $1 a YEAR, the internet would be better for it.
Didn’t they set server donation goals at one stage and the community of reddit were more than happy to contribute money?
There was this bar for years that said how much more donations they needed per month.
Pay who? Serious question.
Edi: Or where?
Pay your instance to help offset hosting fees.
Back in the '90s, ISPs would provide subscribers with Email (POP3/SMTP) access, NNTP access and even basic web hosting of static pages. They also used to provide FTP mirrors of most large software repositories. This saved them wholesale bandwidth and also a faster connection for their users. Maybe modern independent ISPs can reimplement this Service for their subscribers. For instance (pun not intended) Telstra and iiNet (in Australia) could offer access to a Lemmy instance, or a consortium of independent ISPs could sponsor a regional Lemmy instance.
This is a really interesting point, because at least in the UK, we’re seeing a rise in regional ISPs again as companies rush to beat BT/Openreach to offering 1gbps fibre internet in areas they’re not yet prioritising.
I could completely see bundling a local-focussed set of fediverse services with the subscription to be a no brainer that people might actually get some decent value out of. Also would have the benefit of the services having a steady stream of income from the subscription fees.
That’s a really good idea. ISP email is still a thing in my country.
I’m hoping this is the direction we go, and I think it will be, though if the Fediverse ever overtook private social media, I’m pretty certain the tech companies would lobby to regulate social media, try to regulate who’s allowed to host web servers, or lobby ISP’s to raise bandwidth costs for people who do host web servers.
Interesting. Maybe it’s my lack of imagination, but I don’t see how tech companies stamp us out by lobbying, or how web hosting and cloud services can be restricted based on use case. Seems like the genie is out of the bottle on this thing.
Eh, I kinda hope that happens to be honest. I’ve finally got to the point where I just deeply refuse to use any of the large corporation stuff, and if they somehow kill community run social networks, then I’ll finally be free of my addiction that I don’t have the willpower to deal with as long as there’s an ok-enough tempting alternative . Which I know is selfish, but I’d probably help me a lot :D
The person who runs lemm.ee has a sponsor option on their github page. Idk if that’s standard practice, some pin the info at the top of their instance.
I’ll selflessly offer myself up as recipient.
Saying that it’s over and the Reddit won is a bit naive. The majority of the subs that I used to frequent have come back online, but they are definitely still protesting. ProgrammerHumor is making new troll rules based on majority vote every week. Madlads made everyone a mod. Many subs are posting John Oliver or troll versions of their original purpose.
It’s not over. Will they succeed? Who knows. But Reddit is currently a completely different place than it was a month ago because of the ongoing protests.
As a digg refugee I can say that I am done with reddit, too much dejavu here.
Yup. I haven’t logged in since Boost went down and don’t intend to. Except when a link takes me there and auto-opens the app.
That said, while it’s fun and informative to talk about how bad Reddit has become, I hope Lemmy can move on soon and just start being something different rather than constantly being smug about Reddit.
I still have 12k+ comments made over 15 years I need to delete, then I’m gone
I thought the same as you until I checked and saw that /r/programming is back. That is a professional resource whose merits outweigh the ideological ramifications
It’s mostly blogspam and gpt generated “articles” and has been for years. Some of the language specific subs were good though.
I started spending more time at reddit slightly before the digg exodus, and yeah. The masses aren’t the ones to worry about, it’s the people that have been creating content and moderating it for the last 15 years. Reddit has no value past that, it’s just forum software (see also: digg.) Not sure how it’s going to shake out, but I know that I went viewing daily and commenting often to… nothing. The official app is not getting added to my phone, the mobile website is outright hostile, and it honestly just feels gross to launch the main website. I’d rather just search for gems on lemmy or kbin or mastodon and engage on that.
The subs I have witnessed (although it is difficult because I did delete my account in protest of the API changes), are all full of Astroturf and Ads and are no longer usable.
The madlads! (I’m sorry I had to)
Corporation sacrificed user trust, but isn’t completely gone yet. More at 11, stay tuned!
I’m here now and not there. So I guess it at least did a little something 🙋♂️
Here and unfortunately there too. Because movie and tv series discussions don’t exist yet in here so i have to use reddit for that. But now i only use it for like 20 Minutes a day instead of 1-2 hours + now i block ads. So yeah it did something
You might want to have a look at !moviesandtv@lemmy.film https://lemmy.film/c/moviesandtv
That’s just movie news. What i want is discussions. You know like there are subreddits like r/blackmirror and they post a ‘black mirror Season 6 ep 1 discussion.’ and everyone post there opinions after watching it
There’s this then: https://lemmy.world/c/blackmirror
A thread per episode
Not much comments there, but that’s fine.
But I’ll have to wait a bit till fully depending on lemmy. For example now I’m watching Euphoria and there isn’t a lemmy community for that. Despite it being a popular series
It will come I guess, hopefully sooner than later. Have a good day!
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using an URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !blackmirror@lemmy.world
Do you really need to? I could understand for like mental health or financial advice, but I don’t think like entertainment is that essential to keep using and participating on reddit. Which is the worst since participating is content creation that increases engagement from other users who then respond to the comment.
Anyways I recommend a reddit front end if you must like libreddit or teddit. And Stealth for Android which is an app that lets you use a teddit front end. No account and use of front ends for less data for Reddit to collect is the ideal way to go if lurking must be done.
I do really need sometimes. You know some movies/episodes hit so hard that impossible to not talk to others about it, but i have nobody irl that watch that type of stuff so i have to talk with internet strangers.
Also yeah for mental health too.
I miss imdb and rotten tomatoes having forums. It used to be nice when there were many different avenues for discussion wherever you went online.
I did a search for tv and movie forum so came across this place
https://www.avforums.com/forums/tv-show-forum.55/
So there are places to discuss out there. Just have to break the habit of the one stop shop we got used to which has proved to be very problematic with how it has led to growth of companies like Facebook going from a social media company until it becomes so entrenched and hard to quit their influence started expanding beyond the startup that began without ads and treated users well, and stated gobbling up competitors and getting into new sectors.
It all just seems like a simple social media, but it’s scary how that can quickly turn and next thing you know it’s another billion dollar corporation. Who knows how the growth people like us contributed to reddit will turn out. Might be we created another future Facebook type entity.
Reddit is too big to die quickly (unless they suffer a catastrophic failure), but it’s easy to see that it was an inflection point for them, that it’s downhill from here. Remember: at one point, it looked like Yahoo Directory and Internet Explorer would be around forever too.
Same for myspace. When was the last time that was relevant?
They all died due to competitive market pressure. Reddit and Twitter are dying due to managerial incompetence. I believe that Threads will be stillborn due to managerial incompetence, but we are yet to see.
Hahaha, it’s an interesting point. Myspace does still exist. But it’s a shell of it’s former self. We can only hope that someday reddit will be too.
apparently people are considering a return to myspace. i’ve seen the posts
I don’t blame them.
Join Myspace: Hi, I’m Tom! I’m your friend!
Join Twitter: TUCKER CARLSON SAYS THE LIBERAL UFOS ARE GOING TO STEAL DONALD TRUMP’S HAIR!!!
In these days of Zuckerberg and Musk, Tom would be a huge win.
For that very same reason Tom said fuck all this, SOLD the whole thing and now lives his life doing whatever the f he wants. No way our boy Tom is about to come back with the whiteboard lmao he’s got it good
Tom was my first Internet friend. I’m glad he’s doing well
Maybe I’m biased but I feel like the soul of Reddit as a social media site is much more dependent on its users than other sites. Reddit will continue on but if the company keeps undervaluing its users and moderators (and everything points to that), it will end up being as vapid and pointless as people are saying Threads is now.
Yeah, like your experience with Facebook is largely dependent on your IRL contacts using it. If your friends and family still use it, you might not even notice that it sucks, cuz you are by default more likely to be interested in their normal life shit. But individual connections aren’t really relevant on Reddit. I don’t even know if any of my IRL friends use it. My experience with it depends entirely on strangers posting good content. If those strangers stop, then Reddit sucks for everyone.
No, it definitely sucks, because although I have a lot of IRL ppl using it, I get literally 20 advertisement posts in a row in between posts from my IRL people. It it absolutely hideous. It frequently just… breaks and refuses to load my news feed, or it will suddenly load 5-10 advertisement fake posts as I am scrolling down the feed, making a sudden huge jump up or down the page, and meaning I must scroll a ton to find the post from a real human that I had just started to look at. Half the time, I only find out about something because someone IRL tells me “did you see X that so-and-so posted?” and I go specifically to their profile page and then see it. I think they keep making their website worse on purpose to drive more people to their apps, and I am simply not installing such a data syphon for Meta onto my phone.
Precisely. This is why Reddit antagonizing its user resulted in many cheering for its downfall (me included), instead of just simply walking away silently.
Reddit certainly has changed and I don’t think it will bounce back so easily. It feels like the Mall you used to love that slowly fell from grace where all of your favorite stores slowly closed up shop and you found yourself going elsewhere instead. One day someone brings up the old mall in passing and someone else chimes in that it’s now a flea market. It feels like that’s where Reddit is heading… it feels like Reddit is turning into the Dirt-Mall.
The corpse of Digg is still shambling around
Lol, digg is owned by a company literally called BuySellAdsdotcom, Inc. Like, hey I wonder what that company’s north star is?
“You owe me like a dollar!” “Youll have to kill me for it!”
That is a type of transition that’s more exponential than linear. As time goes forward the decline gets faster and more noticable. I think you’re right about where Reddit is headed.
Bounce back? Reddit is growing and 99% of users will keep using it.
It’s a completely different place from 10 or even 5 years ago, and it will never change back.
And yet it dropped all the way to 20th most visited site…
Cope
I wanna say 20th is still pretty high, but quality of posts here are astronomically higher than reddit at the moment and if that continues to be the case, new visitors in general are gonna be signing up for both and will frequent the ones they most frequent. Same way we got on reddit, same way we got off reddit.
It’s not growing as of last month but we will see
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Upon my most recent browse, I have noticed a drop in engagement for sure, and my attention has been brought to many “how do you feel about X” comments that are poorly hidden bots driving discourse. Maybe I’m just more aware of it now though. I’ve definitely noticed a change though.
Platforms get arrogant and eventually overstep the bounds. It already happened since a long time with FB and Twitter, and now it’s Reddit’s turn. You can only take your user base for granted for so long. The problem is that economic conditions are changing rapidly right now and all these Silicon Valley firms are trying to find new ways to make money in a much more hostile climate. This has led them to some desperate moves that are alienating their users. I think it will be a slow war of attrition from here on, just like what happened to most of the other platforms that made this same mistake over time.
I have to be honest, the fact we have an active alternative(s) to reddit at last makes this a complete success for me. I’ve lowkey despised reddit for years. Particularly from 2016 on when bots kind of overran the website and the front page was just filled with toxic garbage that never really went away to this day. I actually did use the revanced patch to get my RIF app working again (though I can’t get my ad-less premium back unfortunately), but I’ve been on here far more than there. I think im just having more fun on Lemmy than I have been on reddit in years. The only reasons I hop back are for sports team specific communities (and really the game threads because I like interacting with other people watching when im watching alone). On the instance i’m on currently there are generated game threads but it hasn’t got the users to make them particularly active as of yet. If that ever happens i’ll happily cut off reddit for good
If the only people who leave Reddit are the ones who understand what a federated FOSS link aggregator is, I think I’d be cool with that. Lemmy’s share of the 3% who have moved on is already pretty impressive, at least in terms of where it was a couple months ago. And the quality of the discourse has been significantly better.
I dunno if Reddit won, but I certainly did.
I’m really liking the lack of bots as well. Im hoping the sports stuff takes off here but I guess that just takes time. I’ll check out that instance though. When football and hockey start up again I’d love to have gameday threads back
I bet an instance geared specifically towards sports would be a relatively popular one
We’re out here! I’m an admin at fanaticus.social. We’re a sports-only instance. We’re the instance /u/Garrathian was talking about.
If you miss your sports and want to discuss them, come on over and check us out. We have all the major sports and their teams’ communities set up and have ported the game bot (for baseball right now) over. We’re planning on having the game bots ported over before the start of the other major sports’ seasons.
So, I’m new here, but I’m still struggling to see the advantage of smaller and more focused instances. I mean, Lemmy.World was pretty sluggish in the first days of the Great Migration, but it got better fairly quickly.
I can imagine smaller instances can do a better job of screening new sign-ups, and they tend to be a little faster than (some) larger instances. Is that it? I’ve also noticed that they tend to have more lag on content updates on the communities I am most interested in, and the front page seems a bit more static.
I created an account on a smaller instance when perfomance here on .world were at its worst, but now I find myself using this account more and more. Maybe more instances is good for Lemmy, but I’m not yet sure if ti’s good for me.
My home instance, Lemmy.sdf.org, is full of geeky/retro communities that tickle my fancy. I like setting my view to “local” to see what pops up locally, even in communities I’m not a member of.
I’m also a member of feddit.uk, which focuses on UK stuff. That’s handy for folks in the UK because it’s easier to find locally-relevant stuff.
It’s federated, so yeah - you can interact with the fediverse from any federated node
The node you call home matters though. You’ll run into your local users more, you’ll come across certain communities more.
The experience is very different. Use multiple accounts, but find a home
So, I’m new here, but I’m still struggling to see the advantage of smaller and more focused instances.
One benefit of focused instances is that we can sort of insulate ourselves from de-federation conflicts amongst the larger, user-focused instances. I’m not sure if you we around for the beehaw.org defederation from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works but those were 3/4 of the biggest instances and those users can no longer interact. Users from lemmy.world were basically blocked from all new content on the communities they were subscribed to on beehaw.org and vice versa.
I host a sports-focused instance fanaticus.social where all we talk about is sports. It’s a non-controversial topic (most of the time) and because we’re focused on that one topic, users from all the instances like beehaw, lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, can still interact with and create content for sports without worrying about losing access to the communities they’re a part of. That’s the major advantage as far as I see it.
I don’t care about user registration counts because most of our content comes from users on general instances. In the future we will probably disable registration altogether. I have only left it open for now to reduce the friction for new fediverse users if they happen to find our instance first and want to make fanaticus their home instance.
I would imagine that instances would really compete on channels/communities/magazines and the mods/admins running those. At a certain point, then, the instances would also tend to have some kind of home field advantage on new users who sign up specifically for that instance’s sports communities. Users from other instances can still interact with the most popular communities, but that’s what I imagine when people talk about instances that focus on a particular niche.
We’ve only ported over the MLB game bots over to lemmy right now (because it’s the only sport in season) but we’ll be porting the other major sports bots over before the season starts! One of our users created communities for all the major sports teams in preparation for this. If you’d like to mod any let me know!
It only cost them the trust of those who trusted them most.
Trust is like a mirror. When broken, you can put it back together but you will ALWAYS see the cracks.
I don’t own a mirror and use random reflective surfaces if I need one, metaphor THAT
The fact that the Reddit API scandal has now been spun into some ‘battle’ of salty users vs Reddit is, in microcosm, a win for Reddit. By all appearances, when viewed under that lens, they ‘won’.
It was never a struggle, it was a statement of intent. And that statement of intent has, in my opinion, been actioned because here we are now, with a promising alternative.
Reddit will probably flourish under its new guise, accepting that isn’t a sort of capitulation. Just move on.
Reddit is now DIGG
Their traffic went down 3% so not really
How much of those 3% are comprised of the 1% who are active posters and the 10% who contribute commenting instead of the ~90% lurkers?
I’m willing to bet more than 20% of the people who left Reddit are frequent contributors instead of lurkers. Those are the users that drive traffic in the long run.
I was definitely a Reddit power user. To the point that people who wanted to dig at me thought “look at all the time you spend on Reddit” would insult me for some reason. They lost me last week and I don’t plan on coming back. I pinned a “Reddit sucks, come to Lemmy” post on my profile and logged out.
I won’t say that I was keeping any decently-large subreddits alive singlehandedly, I didn’t have that ability or power, but I was definitely a major contributor.
Yup, that’s the point. Most of the people who moved away from Reddit are the people who spent the most time there interacting and contributing to content, and those are the most affected by Huffman’s crap. (edit) Most of the people who remained are lurkers, and if a platform only has lurkers, then who’s producing the content? It’s obviously an hyperbole, but it skews the userbase even more towards having more lurkers than posters, and it sets a trend.(/edit)
To be honest, I didn’t even use any 3rd party Reddit apps (even though I was a serial commenter on things I had interest) before coming to Lemmy at the beginning of the protests. I only did so out of my own “moral” choice and because I’m a FOSS enthusiast.
Web traffic, not total traffic, and only for the month of June
Who cares. Reddit isn’t cool anymore. We’ve moved on.
This feels short-sighted. The odds of the protest having a major and immediate impact were always low. It’s not like the suits were going to have a sudden change of heart and realize they were alienating their users. The majority of Reddit’s userbase weren’t going to suddenly leave the site forever. But that wasn’t the point.
Here’s what’s changed since the API changes were announced:
- Reddit’s responses to user concerns and protests have alienated even more users than the initial changes themselves, showing users exactly how Reddit’s administration sees them.
- A whole bunch of mods, devs, and contributors who put in a lot hard work improving Reddit for free are now much less motivated to do so (if they’re still willing to do it at all).
- The protest raised awareness of federated Reddit alternatives, which have grown substantially as a result. A lot of those people who helped improve Reddit for free are now turning their attention to kbin and Lemmy instead.
- Reddit is on a clear trajectory. They’ve shown they will continue making user-hostile decisions and antagonizing their userbase in pursuit of further growth.
We now have an established alternative to Reddit that has reached a critical mass for growth. A lot more people are now working on making the fediverse better, and communities are forming that will attract new users on their own. From now on, every time Reddit makes another move like this, more people will move over (or get closer to moving over) and Reddit will drop in quality even more as a result. If there’s ever a Digg V4 moment (maybe when they kill old.reddit), the fediverse will be much more prepared to take on the mass exodus that results.
It’s remarkable to me that Reddit could have let one of their PR drones write a post that essentially took seven paragraphs to say, “Sorry but we have to” and it probably would have mostly blown over.
But Huffman’s ego took the wheel and he had to make it personal. Instead of just leaving, people are actively cheering for Reddit’s downfall.
It always amazes me that these idiots don’t have a think tank which has great ideas for them and can tell them when their own ideas are shit.
If I was rich. Absolutely 100% would do this. It would be like cheating at life.
It seems like everyone who runs a large social media platform believes we live in a meritocracy and they’re somehow geniuses.
Naw, cheating at life is if your Daddy owns an emerald mine in apartheid South Africa, then you get smart people to do the thinking and PR for you.
There’s a risk that you’ll start to believe your own PR and try to do it yourself, though. I can’t imagine that going well.
