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The defendants believed that protecting the superiority of the white population justified the use of violence against perceived enemies including immigrants, ethnic and religious minorities, and anti-fascists, prosecutors said.
The men also plotted attacks on civilian infrastructure such as electricity grids and railways.
A police investigation showed that the defendants’ activity did not progress to the level of preparation for a concrete act of terrorism.
Uh, fucking 'scuse me?
Yeah, they didn’t say “for realz this time”, so there’s nothing the police can do.
They where fantasizing about it in the abstract, but they didn’t go “right, next Tuesday, Mika’s Market, 12 o’clock”.
Seems like a reasonable distinction to make.
These people would meet outside the KKK supermarket.
What they did was what the police calls, in technical terms, Monday morning. They didn’t even get up to the practice ethnic minority beating stage. /s
Haven’t you heard? Only dark-skinned immigrants commit crime.
Hundreds if not thousands of Finnish cops got caught belonging to a chat group where they were sharing pretty explicitly neo-Nazi material. A few cops even got caught planning to murder leftist politicians and making it clear that they’d already used police systems to dig up information on leftists and given it to extremist groups.
Nothing ever came of either of those. The prosecutors sided with the cops in the latter case, saying something like “it’s not criminal to have bad thoughts.”
Saying that the majority of our cops and prosecutors are literal fascists probably wouldn’t be far off the mark, much to the surprise of exactly nobody.
Welcome to the Finnish justice system!
this is gonna get used as an argument to ban 3D-Printers, isn’t it?
NY is trying to pass a law requiring a firearm background check to purchase a printer.
There are idiots that will try, but it will then be pointed out that milling machines fucking exist and have for decades without being an issue.
And I’m 100% certain I can get more useful parts out of a milling machine than a 3d printer.
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it will then be pointed out that milling machines fucking exist and have for decades without being an issue.
It’s kinda a lot more difficult to build a proper rifle with old fashioned tools. You need a workshop and quite some money for that stuff. Oh, and actually quite some knowledge if you want to get something that actually works more than once and shoots straight. And did I mention that this stuff is expensive? And you gotta have to transport those pretty heavy tools. Really hard to do that without anybody noticing. I know, because I have such a fancy workshop. And it would still take me a lot of work and dedication.
This 3D printing stuff makes it a lot easier, the hardest part is the chemical-mechanical barrel production. That’s something I could realistically do with my 3D printer and tools I got in a week or so. This is nothing like rifle making in comparison.
Shit man, just regulate firearms parts that are currently unregulated, and implement a license for 3D printer purchases. I’d gladly be on a list of 3D printer owners, just for those Nazi fucks to have another obstacle and another “contact point” with authorities where they can be caught.
I can go out today and buy a $3000 cnc mill and make 100s of tiny parts in 1 week that will turn any consumer bought AR15 into a fully automatic weapon of destruction. All the plans and details how to do it have been online for a long time. It’s not hard and these people have the motivation and willingness to do it.
You cannot buy consumer grade AR15 in European countries without having a gun licencse, having the gun registered and subject yourself to random inspections if it is stored properly, which usually means unloaded in a gun safe.
Organizations like this one, at least competent ones, don’t buy guns at the shops. I was making a point but I’m sure there is an illicit gun trade even in Sweden.
There is, it’s just a lot less accessible and I would assume a lot less expensive.
Bank robbers would have guns in Europe, but ypur average guy breaking and entering won’t.
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…then its not the 3D printer owners they care about. They go more after the lists of leftist party members.
It’s kinda a lot more difficult to build a proper rifle with old fashioned tools. You need a workshop and quite some money for that stuff.
It’s kind of not, and you don’t. You’re still reliant on metal for any actual parts involved in the firing process. You still cannot 3d print a barrel you want to use more than once or with any sort of accuracy.
Oh, and actually quite some knowledge if you want to get something that actually works more than once and shoots straight.
Right, which is why 3d printers aren’t that gr… oh, wait, you thought you were talking about milling machines. Nah dude, 3d printers are a fucking whore and a bitch to get good parts off of. They’re finicky as shit. You can EASILY have a 30 hour long print shit itself at the last minute and render the whole thing unusable. It doesn’t matter what kind of printer you’re using, it WILL wreck your life at some point. Unless, of course, you’re using a six-figure production machine at which point your entire money argument gets skullfucked.
And did I mention that this stuff is expensive?
No, it isn’t. You can get a mill for under a grand if you look around. Hell, find the right old timer looking to get rid of his gear and you’ll probably get some good tools as well. Not that this matter, because when you’re trying to improvise weapons A FUCKING DRILL PRESS is more than enough to get the job done for most operations. Whatever your shop is doesn’t goddamn matter when the gun only has to operate for a handful of shots.
I know, because I have such a fancy workshop.
Well obviously you’re a fucking terrorist and need to register all of your tools. Mills, lathes, any sort of welding or sheet metal equipment, all of this can be used in the manufacture of firearms and since you’re piss-pants bitchass scared of plastic I can only assume that extends to the ability to manufacture real live firearms, right?
RIGHT? YA FUCKING BRAINDEAD HYPOCRITE? You going to register your fucking mill with the government so they know you aren’t a terrorist? ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY?
I’d gladly be on a list of 3D printer owners, just for those Nazi fucks to have another obstacle and another “contact point” with authorities where they can be caught.
That’s because you’re a moron.
Here’s your gold star, 3d printer boy, please board the train and don’t cry too much.
RIGHT? YA FUCKING BRAINDEAD HYPOCRITE? You going to register your fucking mill with the government so they know you aren’t a terrorist? ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY?
I’m appaled by the tone in your response. I come to the fediverse because many of the discussions are interesting and I like to browse the comments or add my 2 cents.
You are doing the digital equivalent of screaming at the top of your lungs. I suggest you learn to rely on arguments instead of cheap rethoric and caps lock.
You clearly like the taste of your own dick. Maybe your shit opinion is only worth two cents but mine is clearly worth AT LEAST NINE DOLLARS AND EIGHTY THREE CENTS so eat a bag of goat balls.
Nah man, nobody will ban them, that’s not even possible. I’d be in favor of registering 3D printers on purchase, though. A license, just like when you buy a car or a drone or so.
Sounds stupid, but it’s like a simple hurdle to make these guys more paranoid and more likely to slip up, because they have to go “underground” to get one, or build one themselves.
Either way, they have a lot more work to do and a lot more things to go wrong, while the average 3D printer owner is just on a list of 3d printer owners, nothing more.
Fuck this. Registering a printer yet some places don’t even make you register a gun? The printer isn’t the problem.
So let’s say 3D-printers now have to be licensed, how would they be monitored for what they’re actually printing?
Those are completely different things. You have to get licensed for a firearm or car, but there’s no tracking what you shoot or where you drive.
Um… what?
If you drive a car, your car needs a license plate. That plate is tied to you. If you commit a crime you’re likely to get reported. Also you can be randomly stopped by police and they will check if you have a driver’s license.
For firearms, as far as I’m concerned, the ammunition has some sort of serial number, which in case of committing a crime, would allow the police to track you by contacting people who sold it to you.
With printer, how then fuck is it going to change anything? Not to mention you can actually quite easily build it yourself.
You still need ammunition for 3D printed weapons, even though i am very much certain, that the individual ammunition is not tracked or has a serial number.
For 3D printers it is relevant information, so police can have a look into who has one, if they believe a printed weapon to be used, or find one. This in itself is not a criteria that warrants a search, but if Neonazi A is murdering someone with a printed weapon and Neonazi B from his Naziclub has a printer, that is a good place to start looking. Or like @ProcurementCat said, it creates a context in which people buy black market, which involves more fuck ups.
Not to mention you can actually quite easily build it yourself.
That is relative. It requires much more effort to build one, than to buy one. Especially if you need parts with a tight tolerance, like for a gun that can actually shoot things.
In the same wake it is very much possible to make all the precursor chemicals to make illegal drugs, still regulating some key precursor chemicals keeps most hillbillys from making drugs in their backyard.
Hey, If they try to integrate all that surveillance shit into chat apps, why not search all printed 3d printer files for
copyright infringementweapons and sexual abuse content?
Region Päijät-Häme, Tavastia by the lake Päijänne. In the article, however, they dropped the dots, resulting in Paijat-Hame… Meaning “shirts-skirt”. Thanks for the laugh.
Also race war? In Finland? They do realize there’s not that many people with foreign background anyways…? 🤨
Unfortunately that doesn’t keep fascist terrorists from murdering people. Breivik murdered 70 very much Norwegian teenagers because he blamed them for his insane replacement theory. That he apparently couldn’t find enough brown people in one spot, that he claimed to be replacing the Norwegian people didn’t get him to rethink his ideology.
That is also why it is so important to fight any form of discrimination and stand against all hate. Giving in to hate in one specific instance will inadvertly lead to more hate and violence for everyone.
Yes, unfortunately on the internet, these conspiracy theories and such spread. These people are beyond delusional
He was happy enough to just be killing people who didn’t have right leaning political views, which is thankfully still most people.
Also race war? In Finland? They do realize there’s not that many people with foreign background anyways
Yeah, it’s a real shocker that a society that good at keeping “others” out is racist… 🙄
What isn’t a shocker, is that it comes as a shock to you…Lmao are you seriously trying to imply there’s some conspiracy in the Finnish society to keep “others” out instead of the fact that Finland was a poor shithole until relatively recently and people only really started moving in during the 90s which is also comparatively late
well, that’s concerning.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Three Finnish men who embraced neo-Nazi ideology have been found guilty of committing crimes with terrorist intent including plotting attacks against immigrants, critical infrastructure, and their perceived political opponents.
Prosecutors told the court that the men had produced semi-automatic weapons using a 3D printer in preparation for a “race war” against their opponents.
The public broadcaster YLE said the case marked the first terrorism conviction in Finland that was linked to far-right ideology.
The defendants believed that protecting the superiority of the white population justified the use of violence against perceived enemies including immigrants, ethnic and religious minorities, and anti-fascists, prosecutors said.
A police investigation showed that the defendants’ activity did not progress to the level of preparation for a concrete act of terrorism.
The fourth defendant in the case, a 66-year-old man, was handed a prison sentence of one year and two months for firearm crimes that were not committed with terrorist intent.
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It’s kind of convenient that chucklefucks like these are such loud, daydreaming idiots.
Oh shit, is this the sequel to Destruction Derby?? That’s so awesome!
While I’m sure you can get good prints if you’re meticulous, I highly doubt you could print enough guns for a Nerf war, let alone a race war.
The rebels in Myanmar have been known to use 3d printed guns, specifically the FGC9 which is pictured in this article. They’re very simple to make and rely specifically on off the shelf hardware store parts. A tuned in Ender 3 could make one in about 24hrs. The FGC9 design has been proven to shoot accurate and for many hundreds, and in some cases thousands of rounds before failure.
Honestly that’s a pretty impressive feat. Scary, but impressive.
That’s still incredibly slow compared to normal manufacturing, and a pretty short lifespan of the gun.
Useful for terrorism? Absolutely. But a race war? Nah.
Edit: I love all these people replying to me with internet connections and phone sims registered on their name how we cannot register 3D printer owners because that will make the world end.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGC-9
The gun was designed to not require any potentially regulated firearm parts (under European Union laws) in order to enable people in countries with restrictive gun control laws to manufacture it with little or no legal trouble.
Well, there’s a great reason to tighten gun control laws and start regulating several more firearm parts. I mean, who needs firearm parts anyway if they don’t have a gun? Airsoft people? Nah, they are cool, if you wanna make rogue, 3D-printed guns harder to get, they’d give up their realistic firearm parts in a heartbeat - and if not, you just found someone whose shopping list you might wanna check for
easily manufactured metal pressure-bearing parts, and readily available springs, screws, nuts, and bolts.
The good thing: Even if you get this gun, It still is kinda difficult to get ammo. Stop right there if you want to tell me how easy that is, I know. But it’s not that easy. It’s one of those things that require a bit more brains and contacts, the first being a barrier for those stupid fucks, the latter an increased risk of getting caught (the more people involved, the easier to get caught).
But yeah, it kinda looks like we should also start regulating 3D-printers and require registration on purchase. Not really a fan of mass surveillance, but if you have a database of people who bought a 3D printer, you kinda have a starting point if you are looking for those assholes.
Sucks that they are ruining things for all of us, but they’re fascists - it’s literally the only thing they do with success.
Should we regulate CNC machines and laser/water cutters as well?
Makers aren’t the problem. It’s what some makers make. If you ban or restrict tools, they’ll just use different tools/methods. Or just break the law, because they already don’t care about laws. Just makes it harder for legitimate users to get anything done.
We should sort out how people get radicalized and fix that problem.
@throws_lemy @Semi@kbin.social @ClopClopMcFuckwad
Makers aren’t the problem
Yeah, I know. Just like cars aren’t the problem of traffic deaths (okay well actually they are). But we still register them to easier find the culprit in a hit and run.
If you ban or restrict tools, they’ll just use different tools/methods.
Good. Make it harder for them.
Or just break the law, because they already don’t care about laws.
Good. Again it makes it harder for them to acquire the tools without getting caught.
I know how to make weapons, ammo or explosives. I’d stell 100% get busted trying to make it on my own, because shops keep lists of the people buying the necessary chemicals, and finding “dark connections” isn’t easy - they have to trust you, you have to trust them, and you can’t just go make an ad in a newspaper, can you?
Have none if you ever tried actually breaking the law in a slightly large manner? It’s not that easy if you don’t have any connections.
But yeah, it kinda looks like we should also start regulating 3D-printers and require registration on purchase. Not really a fan of mass surveillance, but if you have a database of people who bought a 3D printer, you kinda have a starting point if you are looking for those assholes.
It kind of sounds like you are in favor of mass surveillance. Try to make me register my CR10 with the state and you’ll see my opinion on 2A flip instantaneously
“They’re fascists,” and you want my name on a list because I own an articulated octopus machine
As a European with sensible gun laws, don’t give a shit about 2A. And registering your purchase is like such a common thing, you do it’s when buying ammo, a firearm, a car, an apartment…
Oh no, you are on a list of 3D printer owners. Oh no, the world will end.
More like “oh no, Europeans will absolutely ban the sale and ownership of 3d printers if they’re allowed to”
Oh no, you are on a list of 3D printer owners. Oh no, the world will end.
And when they ban manufacturing of guns, first people they’re getting search warrants for are those with registered 3d printers. Why else have the list?
And registering your purchase is like such a common thing, you do it’s when buying ammo, a firearm, a car, an apartment…
Most US states don’t require registration of either firearms or ammo. Background checks are only required for the firearm, which does leave a trail, but only of X serial number was purchased by Y person on Z date. If you make your own firearms, depending on the state, serial numbers are optional, or can be whatever you want.
Also my car is only registered if I want to drive on public road ways. Not on purchase. Apartments, houses, etc, only apply when I want to update my license to drive, or vote. Otherwise the government couldn’t give 2 shits.
You live in a horrible surveillance state and defend it. Most modern countries are to some degree, but you’ll gladly hand over you internet, contact and travel history when asked it seems. All for the benefit of something that doesn’t care about you.
The question is, how to regulate 3D printers without it being trivial to bypass?
The modern 3D printer designs grew out of reprap (replicating rapid prototypers). Repraps are designed to be printed , and use a minimal set of “vitamins”. Many/most of these can be brought, or made at home, or in a small workshop. The hardest unique part is the nozzle, and that can be turned on a lathe fairly easily.
Beyond that, how do you even define a 3D printer? Will they also require registration of all hand drills? They can be used to make guns too.
Basically, any ban will be the legal equivalent of masturbation.
Are you aware that milling machines exist, are on the civilian market, and have been for decades without issue?
Yes?
Then why are you doing the dumb, you bootlicking cunt?
“We need a database of all those EEEEEVILLLLL
COMMIES, BLACKS, AND JEWS3d printer users!”Fuck off.
Yeah well keep living in Methville Alabama, while I’m advocating for a safer Europe.
Would you feel safer if all 3d printer owners printed out a yellow star to wear on their lapels?
Moronic “But MUH FEEEEEEEELZ” horseshit has no place in an intelligent society. You have to be an absolute goatfucking moron to think that a fucking 3d printer makes you less safe.
What next, you going to learn that a belt sander is just a MINIATURE KNIFE FACTORY?
Fuckin’ Mentos and Coke MAKING IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVES>!??!?
Found the audience I’m talking about. I’d gladly register my own 3D printer, it’s no biggy for me. you do know how much you are registering, right? Car, apartment, cellphone sim card, pet, bank account, in many countries even drones? Where’s the issue with 3D printers?
Oh, right. Because you don’t want to print replacement parts for your fridge, but gun parts.
You’re actually a goddamn moron.
Fuck yourself in the dick with a 3d printed dick.
The issue, you asstarded fucknozzle is that FUCKING NONE OF THAT SHIT should require registration with a FEDERAL FUCKING GOVERNMENT YOU BOOTLICKING BITCH except the drones because those actually operate in Federal airspace, at least here in the US and it’s no different from being licensed by the Federal government to be a pilot.
I give zero shits about guns. Morons like you, on the other hand, are actually fucking dangerous.
