Ohio voters have approved a proposal legalizing recreational marijuana. Republican legislative leaders are expected to weigh revisiting aspects of the proposal that passed Tuesday.
I think weed is probably a pretty divisive issue in the party. I love in Oregon and know a ton of die-hard, Trump lovin’ Republicans who love weed and have long before it was legalized. I think it’s mostly the religious fundamentalists in the south and places like Utah/Idaho who oppose it while the rest probably don’t care at this point.
The Tea Party rode their way up on the coattails of classic Libertarians. The basically want to legalize everything from smoking weed to killing gays and owning people. “Freedom”
When it looks like Republicans are confused and cannibalizing themselves, it’s because of the bloc that married Trump.
At this point it’s probably helpful to appreciate that the only reason weed is federally illegal is that the Nixon administration needed a pretext to expand the police state so that it could go after the antiwar left and brown people.
Since then, having drugs like weed be illegal gives cops discretion to target ‘likely suspects’, which basically can mean ‘brown people’ and anyone they don’t like the look of
The people that say stuff like that are probably 16 years old and didn’t actually observe the Tea Party movement as it occurred. They only know what the social media comments tell them to think about it. It was basically a “tired of gov’t bullshit” movement that wanted taxes lowered and freedom increased.
I knew insiders in the early Tea movement (not leaders, but those with contact with them). They largely combined a few members of the ultra-wealthy with some of the fringe Libertarian elements. The whole goal was about manipulating politics for profit while giving one of the Third Parties with a lot of potential “a way in”.
Deep down inside, I think some of the early Tea folks thought it would be a fair deal if they got richer by negotiating a deal between the Chomskys and the Pauls since deep down they wanted a lot of the same things.
But that wasn’t enough. Chomsky and Paul didn’t buy a majority when the Republicans were getting sick of Chomsky and Libertarians were getting sick of Paul. So they had to find another marginalized group that was “tired of gov’t bullshit”. The problem is, that marginalized group was the secular extremist. Proud Boys, KKK, UDC, etc.
No. I’m not 16. I was in college when Libertarians hit their early ceiling. The Libertarians were “tired of gov’t bullshit”. And I didn’t like them, but I could look them in the eye and respect them. But Tea was never Libertarian. That’s what they want you to think. Classic Libertarians would never support “States Rights” like Tea. You know why? They were “tired of gov’t bullshit”.
To be CRYSTAL clear. The Tea Party has always been reactionary and populist. Neither of those things jive with “tired of gov’t bullshit”.
Per Pew. 64% of Tea party members oppose gay marriage (they couch it as government growth, but they don’t actually support dismantling CIS marriage or deregulating the things that gay marriage legally solves). 59% of Tea Party members support a federal ban on abortion (small gov’t, YUP). 51% of Tea Party members want stronger border security. Members of Tea or Christian Conservative parties only disagree between 5% and 10% of the time.
The Tea Party never really had anything to do with being “tired of gov’t bullshit”.
And if I can say all that at “16 year old”, boy wait till I hit 40…
NOTE: Yes I was exaggerating on slavery position. I’ve only seen one or two members of Tea defend it actively, but boy did they passively defend Confederate Identity for years.
I have some high school classmates who grew up in Oregon in the seventies and eighties. As I understand things, weed is a long standing culture in Oregon that was more or less openly tolerated to grow your own back in the day. Present day situation doesn’t surprise me at all.
I think weed is probably a pretty divisive issue in the party. I love in Oregon and know a ton of die-hard, Trump lovin’ Republicans who love weed and have long before it was legalized. I think it’s mostly the religious fundamentalists in the south and places like Utah/Idaho who oppose it while the rest probably don’t care at this point.
The Tea Party rode their way up on the coattails of classic Libertarians. The basically want to legalize everything from smoking weed to killing gays and owning people. “Freedom”
When it looks like Republicans are confused and cannibalizing themselves, it’s because of the bloc that married Trump.
At this point it’s probably helpful to appreciate that the only reason weed is federally illegal is that the Nixon administration needed a pretext to expand the police state so that it could go after the antiwar left and brown people.
Since then, having drugs like weed be illegal gives cops discretion to target ‘likely suspects’, which basically can mean ‘brown people’ and anyone they don’t like the look of
Yes
No
The Tea Party has been rabidly anti-LGBTQ and historically pro-Confederate-Identity.
Yeah, there was a little hyperbole there. But not by very much.
The people that say stuff like that are probably 16 years old and didn’t actually observe the Tea Party movement as it occurred. They only know what the social media comments tell them to think about it. It was basically a “tired of gov’t bullshit” movement that wanted taxes lowered and freedom increased.
I knew insiders in the early Tea movement (not leaders, but those with contact with them). They largely combined a few members of the ultra-wealthy with some of the fringe Libertarian elements. The whole goal was about manipulating politics for profit while giving one of the Third Parties with a lot of potential “a way in”.
Deep down inside, I think some of the early Tea folks thought it would be a fair deal if they got richer by negotiating a deal between the Chomskys and the Pauls since deep down they wanted a lot of the same things.
But that wasn’t enough. Chomsky and Paul didn’t buy a majority when the Republicans were getting sick of Chomsky and Libertarians were getting sick of Paul. So they had to find another marginalized group that was “tired of gov’t bullshit”. The problem is, that marginalized group was the secular extremist. Proud Boys, KKK, UDC, etc.
No. I’m not 16. I was in college when Libertarians hit their early ceiling. The Libertarians were “tired of gov’t bullshit”. And I didn’t like them, but I could look them in the eye and respect them. But Tea was never Libertarian. That’s what they want you to think. Classic Libertarians would never support “States Rights” like Tea. You know why? They were “tired of gov’t bullshit”.
To be CRYSTAL clear. The Tea Party has always been reactionary and populist. Neither of those things jive with “tired of gov’t bullshit”.
Per Pew. 64% of Tea party members oppose gay marriage (they couch it as government growth, but they don’t actually support dismantling CIS marriage or deregulating the things that gay marriage legally solves). 59% of Tea Party members support a federal ban on abortion (small gov’t, YUP). 51% of Tea Party members want stronger border security. Members of Tea or Christian Conservative parties only disagree between 5% and 10% of the time.
The Tea Party never really had anything to do with being “tired of gov’t bullshit”.
And if I can say all that at “16 year old”, boy wait till I hit 40…
NOTE: Yes I was exaggerating on slavery position. I’ve only seen one or two members of Tea defend it actively, but boy did they passively defend Confederate Identity for years.
I’m wondering why we’re even currently talking about an organization that was only relevant for like two years thirteen years ago.
I have some high school classmates who grew up in Oregon in the seventies and eighties. As I understand things, weed is a long standing culture in Oregon that was more or less openly tolerated to grow your own back in the day. Present day situation doesn’t surprise me at all.