People always like to point out that City ruined football, but the FA and the other authorities just letting Roman financially dope his way through success was rhe bigger alarm.
None of it matters now. They’ve reaped the benefits and any points deduction doesnt make a difference.
It was technically legal when Chelsea did it, although they more than Man City or PSG (or collapsing clubs like Leeds or Portsmouth) are the reasons behind the FFP rules.
I think its pretty obvious who is old enough to remember the first few years under Abramovich compared to Man City currently by the level of fury towards Man City cheating.
Chelsea spent double or even triple what their nearest rivals did in 2005 or so. Man City outspend their rivals sure, but not by an insane amount.
The real issue is that a team like City “shouldn’t be allowed to spend as much as Man U or Arsenal” which is odd IMO, I think there should be a hard salary/transfer cap to level the playing field, not a “well you were massive before we changed the rules, so you can spend X, but you weren’t as big so can only spend Y”
People can disagree with that if they like, but the fact that Chelsea themselves managed to spend way more “non football income” than Man City, become one of the “big clubs” just before the rules changed, so now are “allowed” to spend more than City, because now their “football income” is huge is just mad to me.
We don’t know how much City spent. They’re accused of lying about it.
are “allowed” to spend more than City, because now their “football income” is huge is just mad to me.
tbh the rules aren’t really about fairness. FFP isn’t the real name anyway. It’s about stopping the problem of sugar daddies getting bored and leaving the taxpayer to pick up the pieces.
I thought we kind of know what’s going out (as in wages, transfers etc) through their books and what other teams report. It’s the dodgy money coming in that’s the main issue.
Though imagine that 115 charges, there some on both sides!
Either way, even if you want to just make up whatever numbers you feel are right (let’s say Haaland cost 120m for example) I still feel like they’d be short of the mad advantage Chelsea 2005 had. You couldn’t massage the transfer fees to make them double what Man U, Chelsea or whoever spend.
Plus it looks like Chelsea were lying all the time anyway.
That is the only fitting punishment for them and city. Just complete death penalty. But they’ll never do, there is zero incentive. The fact is as long as the premier league continues to grow in popularity, people keep going to games and keep watching on tv that is consent for all of this. The message everyone is sending to the premier league is that we love cheating, we are all in favour of the league being uncompetitive and bought by city every single year. Because we keep watching it.
Exactly. They have already reaped the rewards from their cheating and will continue to do it until they actually get a punishment that sets them back so much they can’t just continue to do it.
I agree, people in charge are the ones who allowed this to happen in the first place. now it’s a big mess with clubs being in financial doping all over Europe.
Our funds came openly and directly via the owner, there were no FFP issues to try and skirt around at the time.
City are funded by fake sponsors in an attempt to bypass FFP.
People always like to point out that City ruined football, but the FA and the other authorities just letting Roman financially dope his way through success was rhe bigger alarm.
None of it matters now. They’ve reaped the benefits and any points deduction doesnt make a difference.
It was technically legal when Chelsea did it, although they more than Man City or PSG (or collapsing clubs like Leeds or Portsmouth) are the reasons behind the FFP rules.
I think its pretty obvious who is old enough to remember the first few years under Abramovich compared to Man City currently by the level of fury towards Man City cheating.
Chelsea spent double or even triple what their nearest rivals did in 2005 or so. Man City outspend their rivals sure, but not by an insane amount.
The real issue is that a team like City “shouldn’t be allowed to spend as much as Man U or Arsenal” which is odd IMO, I think there should be a hard salary/transfer cap to level the playing field, not a “well you were massive before we changed the rules, so you can spend X, but you weren’t as big so can only spend Y”
People can disagree with that if they like, but the fact that Chelsea themselves managed to spend way more “non football income” than Man City, become one of the “big clubs” just before the rules changed, so now are “allowed” to spend more than City, because now their “football income” is huge is just mad to me.
We don’t know how much City spent. They’re accused of lying about it.
tbh the rules aren’t really about fairness. FFP isn’t the real name anyway. It’s about stopping the problem of sugar daddies getting bored and leaving the taxpayer to pick up the pieces.
I thought we kind of know what’s going out (as in wages, transfers etc) through their books and what other teams report. It’s the dodgy money coming in that’s the main issue.
Though imagine that 115 charges, there some on both sides!
Either way, even if you want to just make up whatever numbers you feel are right (let’s say Haaland cost 120m for example) I still feel like they’d be short of the mad advantage Chelsea 2005 had. You couldn’t massage the transfer fees to make them double what Man U, Chelsea or whoever spend. Plus it looks like Chelsea were lying all the time anyway.
Which is why they should be forced to start over. Relegate them to the bottom of the pyramid and remove the titles won.
That is the only fitting punishment for them and city. Just complete death penalty. But they’ll never do, there is zero incentive. The fact is as long as the premier league continues to grow in popularity, people keep going to games and keep watching on tv that is consent for all of this. The message everyone is sending to the premier league is that we love cheating, we are all in favour of the league being uncompetitive and bought by city every single year. Because we keep watching it.
Exactly. They have already reaped the rewards from their cheating and will continue to do it until they actually get a punishment that sets them back so much they can’t just continue to do it.
I agree, people in charge are the ones who allowed this to happen in the first place. now it’s a big mess with clubs being in financial doping all over Europe.
Chelsea walked financial doping so City could run with it.
I’m sure I read somewhere that relative to transfer fees at the time Chelsea were bankrolled more than City.
Yes. Adjusted for inflation, the amount Chelsea spent under Abromovich is insane even compared to City.
I thought the issue is that when Chelsea got taken over, what they did wasn’t “against the rules”
There weren’t any FFP rules.
Earlier the 3 foreigner rule made clubs rely on regional players so they couldn’t just splash money all over.
If there weren’t that rule then Berlusconi would’ve bought the whole Dutch national team
Our funds came openly and directly via the owner, there were no FFP issues to try and skirt around at the time. City are funded by fake sponsors in an attempt to bypass FFP.
Did you read the article? Most of these off-book payments are from 2010-2017, after FFP had been introduced.