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A Colorado judge on Wednesday heard closing arguments on whether former President Donald Trump is barred from the ballot by a provision of the U.S. Constitution that forbids those who āengaged in insurrectionā from holding office.
The hearing came on the heels of two losses elsewhere for advocates who are trying to remove Trump from the ballot under Section Three of the 14th Amendment, which bars from office those who swore an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution and then āengaged in insurrectionā against it. The measure has only been used a handful of times since the period after the Civil War, when it was intended to stop former Confederates from swamping government positions.
Last week, the Minnesota Supreme Court dodged the question of whether the provision applies to Trump, who is so far dominating the Republican presidential primary. It dismissed a lawsuit to toss him off that stateās primary ballot by saying that political parties can allow whomever they want to qualify for primaries.
The court left the door open for a general election challenge if Trump becomes the GOP nominee.
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The elections commissions absolutely have the power to determine who gets to appear on the ballotā¦
The GOP can nominate whoever they want. That doesnāt mean they automatically get to be on the ballot.
Yeah that was a ridiculous cop out. Basically they canāt determine if heās allowed on the ballot until heās on the ballot.
Which arguably is the worst scenario for the party itself. Anyone that cares about the Republican Party instead of just Trump would be demanding having clarity about this as soon as possible.
That would require them to care about democracy. They do not. They donāt care if rules are broken or things are unfair. They simply want to seize power, and cannot yet get away with ignoring all the rules to do so. Yet.
Even if you think this argument is sound - and Iām not strictly opposed to it - I think itās probably wisest to tie this condition to an actual relevant criminal conviction in a court of law. You really donāt want the precedent of any random judge or bureaucrat being able to just casually disqualify a candidate by excessively stretching some words, unless you want some random GOP election official deciding that Joe Biden actually engaged in insurrection by illegally taking office after stealing an election.
any random judge or bureaucrat being able to just casually disqualify a candidate by excessively stretching some words
Not even remotely close to whatās happening here.
The sticky part is that the precedent is already that no conviction is needed
Sure, but I think itās not unreasonable to make some kind of distinction between serving in the armed forces or government of the literal Confederacy and the events of January 6th. At the very least, the entire existence of the Confederacy was de jure illegal, as was any non-trivial engagement with its government. Amnesty was granted as a matter of political pragmatism, not of law.
Donāt get me wrong, I absolutely believe that Trump being barred from assuming the Presidency again is absolutely a good thing, without reservation. My concern is what might happen after that can of worms gets opened.
There are a couple spots in the Constitution that specifically mention the need for conviction for something to take effect, and section 3 of the 14th amendment is not one of them. We do have appeals for the rogue judge or whatever, and I think most realize that if they act too egregiously that appeal on their record wonāt look good. Also, Congress has the final say on this (to allow someone to take office, at least) per the last sentence of that section.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
DENVER (AP) ā A Colorado judge on Wednesday heard closing arguments on whether former President Donald Trump is barred from the ballot by a provision of the U.S. Constitution that forbids those who āengaged in insurrectionā from holding office.
The hearing came on the heels of two losses elsewhere for advocates who are trying to remove Trump from the ballot under Section Three of the 14th Amendment, which bars from office those who swore an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution and then āengaged in insurrectionā against it.
Trump attorney Scott Gessler told Colorado District Judge Sarah B. Wallace during closing arguments that the rulings in Minnesota and Michigan demonstrate āan emerging consensus here across the judiciary across the United States.ā Throughout the weeklong hearing that concluded earlier this month, he said the plaintiffs had failed to show that the 14th Amendmentās insurrection provision applies to Trump.
There are a number of ways the case can fail: Wallace could, like the Minnesota high court, say she is powerless in a primary or, like the Michigan judge, defer to Congressā judgment.
An attorney representing Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold urged the judge not to dodge the constitutional issues by ruling, as the Minnesota Supreme Court did, that she did not have the power to remove someone from a primary ballot
The petitioners in the case called a legal scholar who testified that the authors of Section 3 meant it to apply even to those who offered aid to the Confederate cause, which could be as minimal as buying bonds.
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Hereās the issue that I have with this line of thinking.
Sure, the parties are private entities and can therefore put up whoever they want to be nominated. I can see that argument. But shouldnāt those political parties be trying to put someone up who is actually qualified? Wouldnāt allowing Trump to win the primary and then disqualify him on 14A grounds actually cause even more problems, as the party would then have no viable candidate at all?
Of course the cynic in me is saying that this is intentional: Let Trump win the primary, then when people move to disqualify him from the general, the courts would then just say āSorry guys, itās too close to the election so Trump gets to stay on the ballot.ā, as this would essentially invalidate section 3 of the 14th amendment because there would be no time period available where the 14th can actually be invoked. Canāt do it before the primaries because the parties can put forth whoever they want, canāt do it after the primaries because itās too close to the general.
(and the even deeper cynic in me thinks that this will be a first step towards invalidating other, shall we say āundesirableā, parts of the Constitution by simply making it impossible to actually enforce them. )
āThe petitioners are asking this court to do something thatās never been done in the history of the United States,ā [Trump attorney] Gessler said.
āWe are here because, for the first time in our nationās history, the president of the United States engaged in an insurrection,ā [plaintiff attorney] said, summing up their case. āNow he wants to be president again. The Constitution does not allow that.ā
I do appreciate the plaintiffās response here. Trump and Co keep acting like this is extraordinary election interference, when in reality itās just the logical response to what was an extraordinary attempt at a sitting president to overthrow our government.
GOP will appeal and petition for cert. Thomas will grant. Itās over.
I donāt think so. Trump is a pretty much a dictator in waiting, and dictators do not need a supreme court.
