Our little instance is closing to 6 months of operations and it occurs to me I never really asked for some open feedback from our peeps. So I wanted to start a discussion to see your concerns and comments in general. So tell me, in the context of the divisions by zero, what bothers you, what pleases you, what would you like to see improved.
Feel free to share your thoughts about anything.
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That was really bad start for a post.
Our little instance is closing...Idk about feedback, keep doing amazing work and seeding Disney
Lol I didn’t even think about that 😁
There is this wonderful feature called “editing”…
I leave it like this because it’s funnier
Based and panic-pilled
This got me. A little dangerous sentence to start post with 😄 I’m not a user from dbzer0, but I appreciate your work on Fediseer 🙏
Hah, you’re the second one 😁 unintended panic but only shortly.
I made an account here FIRST on lemmy, but moved to world a week in or so because that was a more active instance
When they stupidly banned communities from here I came back and literally have said out loud that I’m unsure why I ever left
It’s a perfect home for lemmy for me (a weird lurker who loves piracy and shrooms and whatnot) and the “is closing” scared the shit out of me lol
It’s a perfect home for lemmy for me (a weird lurker who loves piracy and shrooms and whatnot) and the “is closing” scared the shit out of me lol
1000% this. It’s nice to have a place where people are also interested in the weird shit that I like/care about like piracy/cannabis/etc. Additionally, most people I know don’t give a shit about privacy and don’t understand how wrong the “I don’t have anything to hide so what do I care”.
This was the only instance that I felt like I immediately identified with, so that being said, keep doing what you’re doing OP.
I also had to reread the “is closing” part several times hoping I was reading it wrong.
It was exactly like that for me. In the beginning I felt like I missed a lot of stuff on world but then I came back because they sanitized everything. This is the perfect middleground for me and the piracy community was also my introduction to the fediverse.
It feels like there has not been a whole lot of drama while I’ve been here. I really like that - the ability to scurry off to the other instances and witness their happenings, and then return to our own little safe haven.
We (as an instance, according to my observations) do appear to have some run-ins with a certain other instance every now and again, but they don’t appear too much of an annoyance if you don’t interact or engage their taunts.
I love that @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com is also a contributor of fed-related projects. Makes it feel a little more personal.
If I were to note anything bad, it might be that I feel reluctance towards the stable diffusion communities. Mostly because I’m not sure whether their training data is ethically sourced. But that and more is a concern I have regarding AI in general, as automating our hobbies was kinda the opposite many initially wanted it for, namely automating labor so we can instead do our hobbies. Not I can judge anyone automating a hobby, as I’m kinda skimping the edge myself, but we, us who work with MLAI, should generally try and push away from any dystopian futures.
All in all, I’m happy being here. Thank you @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com for providing this space! And for everyone else on this instance, don’t forget to appreciate it, either by donations or labor, as that is how we keep such spaces running.
If I were to note anything bad, it might be that I feel reluctance towards the stable diffusion communities. Mostly because I’m not sure whether their training data is ethically sourced.
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MLAIs need to be trained before they can be used, and the data an MLAI might need depends on the type of AI. The diffusion AIs often rely on artwork which mostly is gathered from artists trying to make a living off of their hobby - the professional “hobby” artists kinda being the forerunners of what many envisioned AI would hopefully lead to in the future.
Now, if we carelessly use these artist’s artwork, copyright or not, we might remove or inhibit their ability to live off what they love, which would be a giant blow against those of us fighting for AI as a relief of forced work and enabler of personal freedom.
My concern is therefore, in a world where many use AI without consideration for enshittfication of others lives, do the models often used on dbzer0’s communities just scrape the internet of training material, or do those who make and sanitize the datasets ask the artists for permission/use openly available (using the equivalent of the unlicense) material instead?
dbzero0 is a instance which represents copyleft, but my impression is that it also represents the want for more personal control and being able to do whatever one wants. Though, I’m unsure if the general community consensus is to do whatever one wants even at the expense of other common people (everyone for themselves, kinda like the big corps do), or if the community consensus is to do whatever one wants while making sure that others also have the ability to do so (FOSS, commissioning the little man instead of buying from big corps, donating money or labor to small communities instead of being the product of some large social media platform).
I really do like being part of dbzer0, but this question on the instance’s stance has held me back from recommending the instance in my circle of friends.
Dbzer0 is a pirate instance. I don’t think you will find much sympathy for copyrighted artwork here.
I do agree, though, you can be a pirate and still see the necessity in copyright no matter how warped it currently is, the kind who challenge copyright to change it and not just ignore it, those who try and keep the market healthy in their own unique way.
Though, while having seen some, I’m still unsure how many and how vocal they are on this instance.
EDIT: I guess I did butcher this comment really bad, that’s what I get for trying and compress 4 paragraphs down to 2. I’m pretty much trying to say, that while copyright, as it is handled right now, is most definitely counter productive to society, the idea behind it does have some merit. It’s not a black/white situation. Furthermore, there exist pirates who also try and care about the market, not necessarily focused on copyright, but simply caring about those whose content they pirate.
Copyright is evil
Not really, no.
Would you consider it unethical for an artist to study art created by another artist?
Why shouldn’t other jobs held by people in other sectors be protected from competition with AI as well?
Edit: I need to go look for answers. My questions about this don’t really pertain to the subject of the OP.
I guess it comes down to whether AI should have the same rights as humans, or rather those of a tool.
The idea is not to stop making diffusion art, but to limit it a little, so the tool cannot be used to shamelessly copy a distinctive artists style without consent. Similar limitations would also be healthy for other disciplines, except perhaps those which generally are not considered hobbies or recreation.
And you are right about relevancy to the post, though I think it’s good to talk about this as it is a technology which soon will fill a considerable amount of our lives, and the instance kinda focuses on it.
Assuming copyright is ethical to begin with, you can’t copyright things like style or genre (in the US). Artists that complain about their style being “stolen” are overreaching to begin with.
I remember an Artist in the Furry Fandom complaining and inciting harassment over people using their “closed species” without buying it in an auction despite the fact that species can’t be copyrighted and they were denied trademark as well. So when it comes to these types of manbabies who get upset and cry over someone is drawing something that looks too much like their imaginary friends they should not be honored and treated with validity, they should be laughed at. It’s a similar story here with styles.
Styles and Species cannot be copyrighted and trying to make them exclusive is too far and could be considered gatekeeping. They’re only being like this because AI art just like Autotune in music back in the day is seen as “cheating” and doesn’t make them sound as unreasonable and unhinged, if they did the same thing with an artist who had a similar style to theirs it would seem much more unreasonable, and there would be no debate.
Help pls i’m trying to make something out of my life and i don’t feel like i’m doing anything meaningful 🥲
Those are my troubles, matey 🏴☠️
I was likewise. Can you code? Open source projects could always use more help. I run the AI Horde and we’re always looking for people with a lot of talents outside of coding. You can also help improve fediverse sites like lemmy.dbzer0.com with moderators etc. Finally I suggest you help out with some direct action around your local area. There’s usually some movements for food, gardening etc you could try to join.
Gotta second this, especially the local area stuff. Helps to get to know people around you and make a better connection with where you live.
A lot of people I know that struggle with depression or similar feelings (myself included) had/have a lot of it stem from not feeling that they liked where they were at on a number of levels, including “literally” as in the physical location they lived. The best thing that helped me with “the physical location I lived” was getting involved with local events.
That also helps with finding things to do where you can see direct positive impact of your actions, which is a huge thing that helps me personally. It’s why videogames appeal to so many people lately, the immediate and obvious payoff. Stuff like working at a local food pantry, soup kitchen, community garden, volunteer work helping physically disabled people with home projects like painting, etc… those all scratch that same itch of immediate payoff for me at least.
Just throwing it in there that I enjoy reading some hexbear posts. I’d rather unsub from stuff than remove my option to do so on my own
That was actually shocking to find how many people on piracy themed instance would prefer to publicly beg for censure instead of just blocking communities they dislike from their feed.
I think the entire platform would be happier if there was user-level power to easily block instances. Really hoping the devs consider it a priority.
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Every time I block a Hexbear community, two more seem to find their way on to my feed in their place. I’ve been brigaded by their users in the past. If I could block their entire instance, two ways, I would. Since I can’t, all I can do is petition our instance admin to do it.
Agreed, I don’t care that much about that instance - but also mainly browse Subscribed posts in Lemmy so usually just view communities I’m interested & subscribed into. Other people should probably just do that, vs browsing All, if they’re seeing too much in their feed they don’t like.
The real issue is that the Lemmy web ui & most apps/frontends don’t support instance blocking as a user setting. Eventually when/if that’s an option available to most Lemmy users this will become a non-issue.
Honestly I don’t have much to complain about, you’re running the instance pretty well. I think my only complaint (and this is more of a nitpick really) is since the scope of dbzero is mostly reserved for piracy, anarchism and AI related discussion it doesn’t really have that many interesting communities in it. I say this because basically almost every single community I’m subscribed to comes from other instances, and given that dbzero is quite large (for Lemmy standards) I believe that if the scope wasn’t so narrow it could have a much more diverse and flourishing set of communities.
Otherwise, you’re doing great.
To be fair those topics are not mandatory. Anyone can open a community about anything except the forbidden subjects in the sidebar
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It’s great, a great instance, the best one really. Seriously just love it. I can’t believe my luck landing here first try.
Grog’s on me, boys!
No troubles! Thanks for a kooky, but stable slice of Lemmy. I’ve been trying to stay low on smaller instances and several have gone down already (growing pains; no one’s fault).
Love the vibes and the anarchism 🤘
First account on fediverse was here. Glad I did. I like that the admin had contributed to the fediverse. Perfect place for me I’ve been downloading since limewire, BitTorrent, rapidshare and megaupload. meganova was a cool tracker, ddlvalley, oneddl, corebay, funkysouls, piratebay of course. Piracy and sites other sites like this and communities like thls helped me develop skills, how to host your own services to break away from algorithms, how to set up things like websites, pi-hole, like docker, networking, VPNs, I learned how to take care of privacy online. And I am able to share that knowledge with friends and family. As long as this lemmy stays a place where knowledge and information can be shared to others this will be a nice harbor for this semi old pirate 🦜 Don’t defederate too quickly from places that might have different opinions. Most of the users here are tech savvy enough to filter their own feeds. I don’t want to end up in an echo chamber. That what’s Instagram and Facebook etc. is for. Oh I have a question, where we get some stats? Like how many users or new posts? What is the size, in GB? Whats the traffic? How many images?
Have any instances unfederated with us? And if so, how come?
To add to this is there a list somewhere of the ones we have defederated from? I only know of one.
defed.xyz
Just a FYI all Lemmy instances have an /instances page where you can see instances it is linked to as well as blocked instances. For this one it is at https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances
This instance does block instances for spam and suspicious/spammy behavior (dbzer0 admin also maintains https://fediseer.com).
Sffa.community apparently, probably because they don’t like piracy
Sffa.community
fuck those guys!
defed.xyz can show you which are and aren’t
When starting out here I ended up with a few accounts on different Lemmy/Kbin instances, interestingly the dbzero instance usually has the best overall performance/uptime from what I’ve seen. So no complaints here :)
For what it’s worth I’m usually on here via Tor & haven’t had issues on dbzero, a lot of other Lemmy instances trip up over Tor connections and end up with crappy performance with Cloudflare/captchas/etc. or just block it outright.
Appreciate the vote of confidence
Nothing to complain about, thank you for maintaining this instance!
Thanks for the hard work and effort put into this instance! :)
Honestly I’m happy. Only thing I want now is lemmy 0.19 so I can block hexbear instances with a single entry, since I’m banned on the entire instance because a mod failed at reading comprehension.
Annoying af to not realize the post I’m seeing is from their instance, only for my comment to be eaten.
Nice, I was just wondering when that feature would be rolled out. It’ll definitely cut down on people talking about blocking instances they don’t like.
Wait, .19 will allow us to block whole instances?
Kinda. It’s detailed here, but essentially it blocks the instance communities and posts from showing up in your feeds, but users from that instance remain visible.
It’s like a quasi defederation at the user level.
That’s pretty good tbh.
Agreed!
It’s especially useful for people like myself who are banned from an entire instance but still technically able to post comments because their instance keeps the comments cached on the local instance.
but users from that instance remain visible.
So I’ll still have to see their obnoxious emoji, eh…
Yeah, I was hoping user level instance blocking would also block users from the instance. Hopefully the functionality will be added in later.
