Israel ordered people out of swathes of the main southern city in the Gaza Strip on Monday (December 4) as it pressed its ground campaign deep into the south, sending desperate residents fleeing even as it dropped bombs on areas where it told them to go. Lucy Fielder has more.
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Why don’t you go ahead and explain to the rest of us why the person you are defending is running interference for a white supremacist settler-colonialist state, then?
This is literally an extermination program being done with missiles instead of gas chambers, there’s no other reason to lie about safe areas to civilians and use it to collect them in the same place to kill as many as possible. This is literally how the germans used the death showers in concentration camps.
Israel has been very clear that they will attack Hamas targets no matter where they are, inside or outside the evacuation area. If they wanted to just kill all the Palestinians they could have by now but they haven’t. They built sophisticated AI to select their targets so that they can claim their targets are valid military ones.
I mean there’s a real legitimate case to be made that they need to select their military targets more carefully or that the amount of civilian collateral damages too high, and I feel like that all gets overlooked when instead It gets replaced with the ridiculous claim that israel is trying to genocide all the civilians, which is obviously wrong.(Israel is comprised of many of the same ethnic groups you claim they are genociding.)
Look if they were actually trying to avoid civilian casualties the amount of kids killed would not be nearly so high. There wouldn’t be bombed ambulances.
This isnt war this is slaughter of civilians. Just because they’re using different technology to do it doesn’t mean its a sparkling war instead of a genocide.
Palestine is mostly kids, Gazans have a high fertility rate, they decided to have lots of kids in a war zone. Although tragic, it should be unsurprising that they end up being many/most collateral damage casualties. This terrible consequence for slaughtering Israeli civilians should have been totally predictable, yet only Israel seems to be blamed for the violence these children experience, not the ones murdering Israeli civilians while hiding among them.
Israel was attacked by the government of Gaza, and they are counter attacking their infrastructure and their leadership, who hides among civilians. This is war. Civilians almost always suffer and die in war.
They don’t have a high fertility rate. They have a high death rate. If you look at the demographic breakdown, the number of people over the age of 30 or so drops off precipitously.
I mean you might be right that it’s currently quite a lot worse, but in the recent past, their fertility rate has been way above death rate, every year since 1970:
high fertility rate bullshit? does supporting Israel make you just turn straight up Nazi? any more race realism takes? maybe you also share the view of the Israeli government that Palestinians are below animals as well?
I’m not blaming them for the “murders.” I’m pointing out they are responsible for the conditions there, and chose to have children in that terrible situation. Causality exists even if you don’t like it.
Such comments only serve to dilute the seriousness of Nazi atrocities because you want to make shocking but inappropriate comparisons. It’s not a good look, and it’s going to make a lot of people not take you seriously.
oh sorry, the anti-Nazi group is well known for their race realism, like the assumption that different groups of humans have different fucking fertility rates, who were they again?
That’s not an assumption, that’s a fucking fact. It seems like you’re looking for outrage wherever you can, even where there should be none. Invoking Gottlieb’s law doesn’t reflect well on you.
70% of casualties are women and children, this doesn’t mean that 30% are Hamas, after all most men also aren’t part of Hamas, just that they are actively targeting civilians
IDF terrorists just claim every civilian male they kill is Hamas.
Ironically Hamas’s civilian casualty rate on Oct 7 is actually close to 2/3 which indicates their attacks were actually very targeted towards military targets.
Unlike Israel which has an actual estimated 99/100 civilian casualty rate.
That doesn’t prove they target civilians, it just proves they are okay with collateral damage. The above is a claim about intent.
IDF terrorists just claim every civilian male they kill is Hamas.
Meanwhile Hamas just murders men, women, and children and doesn’t even pretend they are trying to hit military targets, blindly firing rockets or sending out violent hordes.
Actually only 29 children died on Oct7 of all the 1200 dead. Including Israeli friendly fire on the Kibbutzes. This shows Hamas did their best to avoid killing children.
There is not a single video from the Hamas gopros of Hamas shooting children. There are plenty of gopro videos of Hamas shooting the dad but sparing children.
In sheer numbers Hamas has done like 40 times better to avoid killing children than israel which knowingly bombs entire refugee camps full of little kids.
I’m not gonna pretend they’re angels but their moral compass is far better than the IDF’s which indiscriminately murders children.
In sheer numbers Hamas has done like 40 times better to avoid killing children than israel which knowingly bombs entire refugee camps full of little kids.
It’s easier to make the case deaths of children are collateral damage with targeted bombs against military targets than with guns used against unarmed civilians at close range, or blindly fired rockets.
Actually only 29 children died on Oct7 of all the 1200 dead. Including Israeli friendly fire on the Kibbutzes. This shows Hamas did their best to avoid killing children. … There is not a single video from the Hamas gopros of Hamas shooting children. There are plenty of gopro videos of Hamas shooting the dad but sparing children.
Perhaps. It’s unsurprising that Hamas wouldn’t release propaganda of such things. I watched a lot of the horrible footage from that day, it certainly didn’t give me the impression that they were showing restraint.
I’m not gonna pretend they’re angels but their moral compass is far better than the IDF’s which indiscriminately murders children.
Then your moral compass evidently does not distinguish intent from effectiveness. There’s a lot more to it than body count, like who started this conflict, who provoked the latest escalation, and who the intended targets are. I blame Hamas for these deaths by provoking a predictable attack from a superior foe while hiding among Gazan children, I don’t blame Israel for using strategies that minimize their own losses even if it means more collateral damage in a nation they are at war with.
“If they wanted to just kill all the Palestinians they could have by now but they haven’t.”
If this Israeli government wanted to kill all the Palestinians without looking like that was their plan they would bomb them slowly over an extended period of time while making a human shield argument.
Israel has been very clear that they will attack Hamas targets no matter where they are, inside or outside the evacuation area
So…unless Israel is lying then Hamas is everywhere. If Hamas is in every place the IDF dropped bombs they are, by far, the biggest army in the world. No wonder Israel is so trigger happy.
Hmm, reminds me of several middle eastern countries where the Jewish population now sits at 0% because literally every single one was either murdered or expelled.
Probably had something to do with them declaring war on Israel. Some were driven out, some left voluntarily. Those who stayed and were not belligerent seem to be fairing much better than those who keep trying to kill Israelis.
Jordan did the same shit in the West Bank when they won, funny how they have different rules I guess.
Yeah, Jews aren’t doing anything like extermination programs, 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab Muslims. This is war, not genocide.
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Sorry to interrupt your circle jerk with disagreement that leads to actual discussion and debate
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Going ad hominem makes you seem like a petulant child
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You’re making things up. DarkGamer has said nothing even remotely “white supremacist”.
Bringing in accusation out of nowhere doesn’t help your position at all.
Oh look… another one of Ben Shapiro’s copium clients.
Buying en masse, too?
Why don’t you go ahead and explain to the rest of us why the person you are defending is running interference for a white supremacist settler-colonialist state, then?
What is “running interference” exactly?
Is that a phrase you understand, or just something you like to copy because it sounds grown-up?
This is literally an extermination program being done with missiles instead of gas chambers, there’s no other reason to lie about safe areas to civilians and use it to collect them in the same place to kill as many as possible. This is literally how the germans used the death showers in concentration camps.
Israel has been very clear that they will attack Hamas targets no matter where they are, inside or outside the evacuation area. If they wanted to just kill all the Palestinians they could have by now but they haven’t. They built sophisticated AI to select their targets so that they can claim their targets are valid military ones.
I mean there’s a real legitimate case to be made that they need to select their military targets more carefully or that the amount of civilian collateral damages too high, and I feel like that all gets overlooked when instead It gets replaced with the ridiculous claim that israel is trying to genocide all the civilians, which is obviously wrong.(Israel is comprised of many of the same ethnic groups you claim they are genociding.)
Look if they were actually trying to avoid civilian casualties the amount of kids killed would not be nearly so high. There wouldn’t be bombed ambulances.
This isnt war this is slaughter of civilians. Just because they’re using different technology to do it doesn’t mean its a sparkling war instead of a genocide.
Palestine is mostly kids, Gazans have a high fertility rate, they decided to have lots of kids in a war zone. Although tragic, it should be unsurprising that they end up being many/most collateral damage casualties. This terrible consequence for slaughtering Israeli civilians should have been totally predictable, yet only Israel seems to be blamed for the violence these children experience, not the ones murdering Israeli civilians while hiding among them.
I believe the idf claimed that the ambulance was in use by Hamas.
Israel was attacked by the government of Gaza, and they are counter attacking their infrastructure and their leadership, who hides among civilians. This is war. Civilians almost always suffer and die in war.
They don’t have a high fertility rate. They have a high death rate. If you look at the demographic breakdown, the number of people over the age of 30 or so drops off precipitously.
I mean you might be right that it’s currently quite a lot worse, but in the recent past, their fertility rate has been way above death rate, every year since 1970:
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/
This is the reason why their median age is so low.
And their life expectancy has been around 73 years, which puts them at #104/201.
https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/#countries-ranked-by-life-expectancy
high fertility rate bullshit? does supporting Israel make you just turn straight up Nazi? any more race realism takes? maybe you also share the view of the Israeli government that Palestinians are below animals as well?
Pointing out a group has high fertility rates = Nazi? Absurd.
Blaming the innocent victims of military action for the murders that their killers committed is 100% Nazi shit. Well, I guess they call it Likud now.
I’m not blaming them for the “murders.” I’m pointing out they are responsible for the conditions there, and chose to have children in that terrible situation. Causality exists even if you don’t like it.
Such comments only serve to dilute the seriousness of Nazi atrocities because you want to make shocking but inappropriate comparisons. It’s not a good look, and it’s going to make a lot of people not take you seriously.
oh sorry, the anti-Nazi group is well known for their race realism, like the assumption that different groups of humans have different fucking fertility rates, who were they again?
That’s not an assumption, that’s a fucking fact. It seems like you’re looking for outrage wherever you can, even where there should be none. Invoking Gottlieb’s law doesn’t reflect well on you.
70% of casualties are women and children, this doesn’t mean that 30% are Hamas, after all most men also aren’t part of Hamas, just that they are actively targeting civilians
They claim it’s collateral damage, and you haven’t shared anything that disproves this.
Israel military says 2 civilians killed for every Hamas militant is a ‘tremendously positive’ ratio given combat challenges
IDF terrorists just claim every civilian male they kill is Hamas.
Ironically Hamas’s civilian casualty rate on Oct 7 is actually close to 2/3 which indicates their attacks were actually very targeted towards military targets.
Unlike Israel which has an actual estimated 99/100 civilian casualty rate.
That doesn’t prove they target civilians, it just proves they are okay with collateral damage. The above is a claim about intent.
Meanwhile Hamas just murders men, women, and children and doesn’t even pretend they are trying to hit military targets, blindly firing rockets or sending out violent hordes.
Actually only 29 children died on Oct7 of all the 1200 dead. Including Israeli friendly fire on the Kibbutzes. This shows Hamas did their best to avoid killing children.
There is not a single video from the Hamas gopros of Hamas shooting children. There are plenty of gopro videos of Hamas shooting the dad but sparing children.
In sheer numbers Hamas has done like 40 times better to avoid killing children than israel which knowingly bombs entire refugee camps full of little kids.
I’m not gonna pretend they’re angels but their moral compass is far better than the IDF’s which indiscriminately murders children.
It’s easier to make the case deaths of children are collateral damage with targeted bombs against military targets than with guns used against unarmed civilians at close range, or blindly fired rockets.
Perhaps. It’s unsurprising that Hamas wouldn’t release propaganda of such things. I watched a lot of the horrible footage from that day, it certainly didn’t give me the impression that they were showing restraint.
Then your moral compass evidently does not distinguish intent from effectiveness. There’s a lot more to it than body count, like who started this conflict, who provoked the latest escalation, and who the intended targets are. I blame Hamas for these deaths by provoking a predictable attack from a superior foe while hiding among Gazan children, I don’t blame Israel for using strategies that minimize their own losses even if it means more collateral damage in a nation they are at war with.
You are coping hard lol
We don’t need to disprove IDF lies when they’ve already proven it’s their preferred form of communication
“I don’t need to cite facts, I have a strongly held opinion!”
The pattern abides
Are you able or willing to provide any evidence of this pattern?
“If they wanted to just kill all the Palestinians they could have by now but they haven’t.”
If this Israeli government wanted to kill all the Palestinians without looking like that was their plan they would bomb them slowly over an extended period of time while making a human shield argument.
So…unless Israel is lying then Hamas is everywhere. If Hamas is in every place the IDF dropped bombs they are, by far, the biggest army in the world. No wonder Israel is so trigger happy.
Unless…
When Gaza is dead and Hamas is still around, Israel will finally understand how thoroughly they fucked up.
Shit, it must be true since DarkGamer says so on lemmy.
We can safely ignore the whole Palestine topic guys
Either you’re drinking the cool-aid or forgot the “/s”. Can’t really tell.
They’re not. This guy is a bona-fide Zionist.
You know why only 20% are Palestinians? Because everyone else was expelled in 1949.
Hmm, reminds me of several middle eastern countries where the Jewish population now sits at 0% because literally every single one was either murdered or expelled.
Yeah that’s also really bad and one of the dumbest and most morally abhorrent things the Arab states did the last century.
Yeah that’s also really bad and one of the dumbest and most morally abhorrent things the Arab states did the last century.
You’re saying that as if it was a one time event. This was over decades, and it’s still ongoing.
Ongoing? AFAIK there are almost no Jews living in Arab states anymore, and the ones that are aren’t really at risk of being expelled.
After they lost a war they started. Whose main goal was to kill or deport all jews from the area.
edit This is not my opinion. This is a historical fact. Your downvotes don’t change historical facts.
Probably had something to do with them declaring war on Israel. Some were driven out, some left voluntarily. Those who stayed and were not belligerent seem to be fairing much better than those who keep trying to kill Israelis.
Jordan did the same shit in the West Bank when they won, funny how they have different rules I guess.
Lmao no.
That 20% gets treated like dirt and members of the governing coalition are calling for deporting them into Gaza for “disloyalty”
It’s a genocide.