Well it’s a year out and we are all just being reactionary to polling numbers but the more the sentiment sticks the more we shape the future. So I guess we just have to see when an election year actually starts instead of doing nothing and fighting about it.
Also can I just add: doing nothing and expecting the same outcome is insanity
The reason people are worried about the poll numbers right now is that now is the only chance we have to put up a different Democratic nominee. I’m not really sure we have a window of time to correct anything if we’ve already put them up as our nominee.
The window doesn’t exist. No one wants to hear what makes them uncomfortable anymore. They are tired of the same but scared of anything different. And so down we will grind. Biden can win and delay this more but we will see and it won’t be just because he is there like last election.
No, I’m not saying he’s not in trouble or that they don’t need to get hold of the message or change policies in key areas or whatever.
I’m saying that the argument that “shaming leftists for wanting to stay at home won’t work” or that “spiteful anger is not going to get people to back” Biden doesn’t track. We all spent a year in aggresively spiteful anger at a bunch of performative Berniebros all over social media who argued that they would never vote for Biden under the circumstances. Turns out either they showed up, they hadn’t shown up before either or weren’t that many. Because, again, Biden won.
This whole “why don’t Democrats court us specifically” dejection is infuriating, especially because it tends to be a pre-electoral thing only. The way I see it, with the US’s electoral system a leftist is at their most powerless around major elections. They get no choice. It’s liberal centrists or active fascism.
The right time to apply political pressure to Biden or any other centrist democrat in power is during the term, when they need leftist votes to get past narrow majorities and there is a reasonable opportunity to trade reform for commonplace legislation and normal operation. But pressing before elections? All that gets you is the only one of the two factions you can influence in any way losing all power, and as a result you losing all power.
Vote for democrats and then apply pressure between terms or go start the revolution. But whining about Dems not caring about you just before an election is not it.
It’s not just about the fucking Berniebros. It’s about the silent majority of Americans who never say shit and just vote or don’t. It’s about the people that really matter and I’m trying to speak for them. The idiots who will eat up whatever confirms their current ideas of how everything is going that you get from being down on their level and talking to them.
Christ you pick your boogymen and stick to it and direct all your anger and energy at the people being vocal and not notice the everything else.
It’s about giving those people an idea of a choice, it’s why I have called for Biden to do some debates or make an effort to campaign a little and toot his own horn. Fuck I would love him to be rallied by a leftist and show that he gets more of the middle by being a slow and careful old curmudgeon but you stick to one stupidly flawed argument that it’s about the people being vocal.
Whatever. The easy target is the one that puts it’s head up to talk. This entire chat is full of people that are scared and simply screaming at the people that try to offer a conversation to point out ideas that they aren’t thinking of. But stay with blinders on. Shut up the people that try to say anything and just be shocked and remember our names as the problem if it all goes sideways because someone has the audacity to say something you didn’t want to hear.
But that’s my point, the Berniebros were the ones saying that the silent majority would stay at home because they were being berated about Trump being an existential threat. Turns out, the silent majority did need the raised alarms and the sense that they needed to get off their ass, so the allegedly arrogant tand not constructive raised alarms were both effective and necessary.
Instead, a sector of the left assumes that the silent majority agrees with them specifically and doesn’t get the ripples of people raising their voice to say that inaction based on mild dissatisfaction with liberals is a major, major mistake that may take the US past the point of no return. The left keeps making claims that actually no, it’s about making people exicted and hopeful and stuff, which sounds great… except look at the other guy. It’s not exciting and hopeful here, it’s welcome to the rise of fascism, either you keep stomping them down every single time or it’s the last time you get the chance. That’s forever now, until the GOP solves their actual fascist problem. Somehow, this seems to be the centrist democrats’ fault every time an election comes around, but not while the online left is in between bouts of blaming them for the rise of fascism.
So I say again, I am begging people on the left to rise up in between elections and deploy absolutely ruthless pressure to get structural reform that will lock fascists out of institutions. Once campaigning for major elections starts, though, you rally behind the leader, whoever it may be, and keep facists out with whatever tools are available.
And if you don’t do that, then it’s your fault as much as everybody else that is creating the scenario where fascists rule the country. Again. It’s insane that we haven’t learned this lesson yet.
Well it’s a year out and we are all just being reactionary to polling numbers but the more the sentiment sticks the more we shape the future. So I guess we just have to see when an election year actually starts instead of doing nothing and fighting about it.
Also can I just add: doing nothing and expecting the same outcome is insanity
The reason people are worried about the poll numbers right now is that now is the only chance we have to put up a different Democratic nominee. I’m not really sure we have a window of time to correct anything if we’ve already put them up as our nominee.
The window doesn’t exist. No one wants to hear what makes them uncomfortable anymore. They are tired of the same but scared of anything different. And so down we will grind. Biden can win and delay this more but we will see and it won’t be just because he is there like last election.
No, I’m not saying he’s not in trouble or that they don’t need to get hold of the message or change policies in key areas or whatever.
I’m saying that the argument that “shaming leftists for wanting to stay at home won’t work” or that “spiteful anger is not going to get people to back” Biden doesn’t track. We all spent a year in aggresively spiteful anger at a bunch of performative Berniebros all over social media who argued that they would never vote for Biden under the circumstances. Turns out either they showed up, they hadn’t shown up before either or weren’t that many. Because, again, Biden won.
This whole “why don’t Democrats court us specifically” dejection is infuriating, especially because it tends to be a pre-electoral thing only. The way I see it, with the US’s electoral system a leftist is at their most powerless around major elections. They get no choice. It’s liberal centrists or active fascism.
The right time to apply political pressure to Biden or any other centrist democrat in power is during the term, when they need leftist votes to get past narrow majorities and there is a reasonable opportunity to trade reform for commonplace legislation and normal operation. But pressing before elections? All that gets you is the only one of the two factions you can influence in any way losing all power, and as a result you losing all power.
Vote for democrats and then apply pressure between terms or go start the revolution. But whining about Dems not caring about you just before an election is not it.
It’s not just about the fucking Berniebros. It’s about the silent majority of Americans who never say shit and just vote or don’t. It’s about the people that really matter and I’m trying to speak for them. The idiots who will eat up whatever confirms their current ideas of how everything is going that you get from being down on their level and talking to them.
Christ you pick your boogymen and stick to it and direct all your anger and energy at the people being vocal and not notice the everything else.
It’s about giving those people an idea of a choice, it’s why I have called for Biden to do some debates or make an effort to campaign a little and toot his own horn. Fuck I would love him to be rallied by a leftist and show that he gets more of the middle by being a slow and careful old curmudgeon but you stick to one stupidly flawed argument that it’s about the people being vocal.
Whatever. The easy target is the one that puts it’s head up to talk. This entire chat is full of people that are scared and simply screaming at the people that try to offer a conversation to point out ideas that they aren’t thinking of. But stay with blinders on. Shut up the people that try to say anything and just be shocked and remember our names as the problem if it all goes sideways because someone has the audacity to say something you didn’t want to hear.
But that’s my point, the Berniebros were the ones saying that the silent majority would stay at home because they were being berated about Trump being an existential threat. Turns out, the silent majority did need the raised alarms and the sense that they needed to get off their ass, so the allegedly arrogant tand not constructive raised alarms were both effective and necessary.
Instead, a sector of the left assumes that the silent majority agrees with them specifically and doesn’t get the ripples of people raising their voice to say that inaction based on mild dissatisfaction with liberals is a major, major mistake that may take the US past the point of no return. The left keeps making claims that actually no, it’s about making people exicted and hopeful and stuff, which sounds great… except look at the other guy. It’s not exciting and hopeful here, it’s welcome to the rise of fascism, either you keep stomping them down every single time or it’s the last time you get the chance. That’s forever now, until the GOP solves their actual fascist problem. Somehow, this seems to be the centrist democrats’ fault every time an election comes around, but not while the online left is in between bouts of blaming them for the rise of fascism.
So I say again, I am begging people on the left to rise up in between elections and deploy absolutely ruthless pressure to get structural reform that will lock fascists out of institutions. Once campaigning for major elections starts, though, you rally behind the leader, whoever it may be, and keep facists out with whatever tools are available.
And if you don’t do that, then it’s your fault as much as everybody else that is creating the scenario where fascists rule the country. Again. It’s insane that we haven’t learned this lesson yet.