A Vermont State Trooper was observed in newly released video footage arresting a man for disorderly conduct after being flipped off and cursed at during a traffic stop – a move that led the man to …
I remember this one time Bush got the shoe. It ended up with many lenghty trials before the guy got sentenced for a year for what amounts to one of the biggest personal fuck-you acts in a recent history. And what would be the sentence for throwing a shoe at a random nobody officer from Vermont? Lemme guess…
Instant one at that. There are like millions of people working forces on the ground, and even a slight chance of having ‘the bad one’ and being put to death over a little conflict would bring a regretful amount of lives lost, like a little town of dead people. Cops who don’t usually have a job more dangerous than a speeding ticket shouldn’t have guns, there are SWAT, FBI, other units to handle big crimes, who are specifically trained for that, and cops should endure as much checks as other laborers do when using dangerous tools. Most big industrial toys I enjoyed had two buttons so I would need to place my two hands in safe spaces to press them before they start, because their predecessors ate that much limbs and whole people it became a problem. Why having a gun, a tool made to right-click-delete people, is so unregulated? Why cops are even trusted to have one, or even a couple? These said symbols of law and order are half a century back in regulating that law and order themselves.
I understand where you’re coming from, but a lot of violence that police encounter is spontaneous and unpredictable.
Say they pull someone over for speeding, but the driver has a warrant for their arrest or something like drugs in their car. The cop begins this encounter expecting to issue a ticket and nothing more, but the driver knows more is riding on the line than that. Violently attacking the cop to increase their chance of getting away might sound like a good option, otherwise they’ll spend years in jail for the additional charges they’re avoiding.
A lot of this behavior wouldn’t exist if our prisons focused on rehabilitation instead of cruel punishment. A simple drug charge can ruin someone’s finances and career, which almost everyone agrees is unjust. If they’re already facing many years in jail for crimes a cop would arrest them for, what’s risking some additional time in jail for a chance to avoid an arrest altogether?
Prison shouldn’t be something that people want to avoid at all costs, and the conditions we live in shouldn’t push people to commit crime to get by. Currently, our prisons are cruel and our living conditions are terrible, pushing people to steal, sell drugs, and avoid prison at all costs.
Edit: And just to clarify, I’m only highlighting that police encounter violence in situations where people wouldn’t expect it. A simple speeding ticket can end with the cop getting stabbed or runned over. Our justice system motivates people to violently avoid arrest, and our living conditions push people to commit crime. So not only do our police need reform, but we need to fix the underlying issues that push people to commit crime and avoid prison to begin with. If that’s done, then police encounters that begin non-violently would more frequently end that way too.
Goddamn, you make a great point about the severity of treatment in prison driving extreme avoidant behavior. I had never thought of it that way before.
It actually has religious connotations too, being mentioned in the Tanakh and Old Testament. The Israelites were not big fans of Moab or Edom, so TWICE it’s said “Moab is my washpot: over Edom will I cast out my shoe”, which is sun-zapped, crazy people speak for “fuck these guys”.
I remember this one time Bush got the shoe. It ended up with many lenghty trials before the guy got sentenced for a year for what amounts to one of the biggest personal fuck-you acts in a recent history. And what would be the sentence for throwing a shoe at a random nobody officer from Vermont? Lemme guess…
Death penalty probably.
Instant one at that. There are like millions of people working forces on the ground, and even a slight chance of having ‘the bad one’ and being put to death over a little conflict would bring a regretful amount of lives lost, like a little town of dead people. Cops who don’t usually have a job more dangerous than a speeding ticket shouldn’t have guns, there are SWAT, FBI, other units to handle big crimes, who are specifically trained for that, and cops should endure as much checks as other laborers do when using dangerous tools. Most big industrial toys I enjoyed had two buttons so I would need to place my two hands in safe spaces to press them before they start, because their predecessors ate that much limbs and whole people it became a problem. Why having a gun, a tool made to right-click-delete people, is so unregulated? Why cops are even trusted to have one, or even a couple? These said symbols of law and order are half a century back in regulating that law and order themselves.
I understand where you’re coming from, but a lot of violence that police encounter is spontaneous and unpredictable.
Say they pull someone over for speeding, but the driver has a warrant for their arrest or something like drugs in their car. The cop begins this encounter expecting to issue a ticket and nothing more, but the driver knows more is riding on the line than that. Violently attacking the cop to increase their chance of getting away might sound like a good option, otherwise they’ll spend years in jail for the additional charges they’re avoiding.
A lot of this behavior wouldn’t exist if our prisons focused on rehabilitation instead of cruel punishment. A simple drug charge can ruin someone’s finances and career, which almost everyone agrees is unjust. If they’re already facing many years in jail for crimes a cop would arrest them for, what’s risking some additional time in jail for a chance to avoid an arrest altogether?
Prison shouldn’t be something that people want to avoid at all costs, and the conditions we live in shouldn’t push people to commit crime to get by. Currently, our prisons are cruel and our living conditions are terrible, pushing people to steal, sell drugs, and avoid prison at all costs.
Edit: And just to clarify, I’m only highlighting that police encounter violence in situations where people wouldn’t expect it. A simple speeding ticket can end with the cop getting stabbed or runned over. Our justice system motivates people to violently avoid arrest, and our living conditions push people to commit crime. So not only do our police need reform, but we need to fix the underlying issues that push people to commit crime and avoid prison to begin with. If that’s done, then police encounters that begin non-violently would more frequently end that way too.
Goddamn, you make a great point about the severity of treatment in prison driving extreme avoidant behavior. I had never thought of it that way before.
There’s a monument to the shoe in Tikrit now.
I found out Iraqi police required it to be removed after only two days. How disappointing.
Oh boo! Absolute fun sponges.
Edit: amazing quote at the end of that article…
I mean I think that’s a sign of extreme contempt anywhere :D
It actually has religious connotations too, being mentioned in the Tanakh and Old Testament. The Israelites were not big fans of Moab or Edom, so TWICE it’s said “Moab is my washpot: over Edom will I cast out my shoe”, which is sun-zapped, crazy people speak for “fuck these guys”.