Yeah, they have all this money and the algorithms are getting more stupid. I hate it when saying “play Travis” (I use voice commands in car) always plays the exact same playlist in the exact same order. They also push the most popular songs on you so if a band you like did a shitty Barbie cover you will hear it all the time. And there’s no dislike button to get rid of it. On my phone I just play custom playlists because the algorithms suck so much.
I haven’t been at the whim of spotify’s bullshit algorithm since years ago when I just stopped playing their radio at all. Maybe I’ll hear one or two songs when the album m listening to ends and I haven’t had a chance to pick what’s next, but I don’t rely on their bullshit. Every song I play I’ve chosen to play.
I’ve stopped using their recommendations (except in my car) for other reason: I no longer knew the albums. It used to be you would get new album from X, you would listen to it couple of times, learn the song titles and think “this new album is awesome/shit/better then the last one”. With Spotify it was just constant stream of songs from the sam e artist without any idea of their artistic progression. I missed that part so now I just listen to whole albums and custom playlists.
Ah. See, I never grew out of album listening. I fought mp3 players for so long I probably nearly killed an extra 15 people in my life flipping through my massive CD book as I drove probably too fast down the road when I was 16.
Thinking about it, I’ve probably missed a lot of songs I would’ve loved that way, because when a new album comes out and it can’t grab me in the first few songs, I don’t go back and listen until I sometimes give them another shot.
I wish removing a song from my Discover weekly or similar lists actually worked. I swear I remove the same song from that playlist for months and it still shows up.
The problem isn’t that their random is biased or has rules, the is that it is entirely deterministic, to the point where it will play the same exact songs, in the same exact order for days. It’s as if shuffle just activates a hidden “shuffle” playlist that only updates once a week.
I’d guess that every time user presses “shuffle” they just shuffle the playlist and never change the order afterwards. So song order is really not random it’s shuffled
Yep, I know what you’re talking about, but spotify weights songs it thinks you’ll like higher than other songs, and with big playlists it really is a noticeable problem. There are services that shuffle the order of your playlist, so then in spotify you play it with spotifys shuffle turned off, and yes there are “patterns” that I notice (one song I had in their twice, I think like a single version and album version, was right next to itself), but at least I actually hear songs I haven’t heard in a long time, and I don’t get the same ones regularly
Yes, that was what I was getting at. Not having true random is one thing, I understand (and like) that implementation. Apple has been doing it since the first few iPods. But Spotify “shuffle” isn’t near even, it is exactly even, as in “if you shuffle play this playlist twice two days in a row, it will play the exact same order”. Which is why people are complaining about Spotify specifically.
That’s not what I’m doubting here. I was raising awareness to the fact that a computer physically cannot be truly random. I know that pseudorandomness is enough as we cannot perceive a difference easily.
Because my playlist has thousands of songs yet I hear the same ones a lot, their algorithm weights songs it thinks you like to be more common in the shuffle
I wish they had a true shuffle 😔
I wish they’d bring the ‘Dislike’ button back. 😔
I wish they brought manually selecting songs back to the free version. 😔
https://spicetify.app/ PC
https://www.xmanagerapp.com/ Android
It is a thing on PC
Also on tablets. That made no sense to me. Both are running Android, only the DPI is different.
I just want a fuckin star rating system. I want winamp but with Spotify library.
I want the same! To try to make due I made a Playlist for each star category.
Yeah, they have all this money and the algorithms are getting more stupid. I hate it when saying “play Travis” (I use voice commands in car) always plays the exact same playlist in the exact same order. They also push the most popular songs on you so if a band you like did a shitty Barbie cover you will hear it all the time. And there’s no dislike button to get rid of it. On my phone I just play custom playlists because the algorithms suck so much.
I can’t understand why people pay for this shit - how is that any better than the radio??
(I still go the cheapskate route and maintain my own library)
No commercials
Better selection of music
Only listen to songs you like
Ability to skip tracks
Ability to listen to whatever you want vs what someone else decides for you
How long of a list are you looking for because this could take all day…
I haven’t been at the whim of spotify’s bullshit algorithm since years ago when I just stopped playing their radio at all. Maybe I’ll hear one or two songs when the album m listening to ends and I haven’t had a chance to pick what’s next, but I don’t rely on their bullshit. Every song I play I’ve chosen to play.
Look at me, stickin it to the man.
I’ve stopped using their recommendations (except in my car) for other reason: I no longer knew the albums. It used to be you would get new album from X, you would listen to it couple of times, learn the song titles and think “this new album is awesome/shit/better then the last one”. With Spotify it was just constant stream of songs from the sam e artist without any idea of their artistic progression. I missed that part so now I just listen to whole albums and custom playlists.
Ah. See, I never grew out of album listening. I fought mp3 players for so long I probably nearly killed an extra 15 people in my life flipping through my massive CD book as I drove probably too fast down the road when I was 16.
Thinking about it, I’ve probably missed a lot of songs I would’ve loved that way, because when a new album comes out and it can’t grab me in the first few songs, I don’t go back and listen until I sometimes give them another shot.
I wish removing a song from my Discover weekly or similar lists actually worked. I swear I remove the same song from that playlist for months and it still shows up.
There is one if you use the discovery features. Well, it’s not a dislike, but I think it does the same thing, maybe?
Humans think real random isn’t random 🙃
It’s wild but they see patterns
The problem isn’t that their random is biased or has rules, the is that it is entirely deterministic, to the point where it will play the same exact songs, in the same exact order for days. It’s as if shuffle just activates a hidden “shuffle” playlist that only updates once a week.
I’d guess that every time user presses “shuffle” they just shuffle the playlist and never change the order afterwards. So song order is really not random it’s shuffled
You and I might be talking about different things.
I mean that humans don’t like theoretically true random, as a cool side note
You seem upset about one implementation
Also, shuffling and having something appear near even though you throught it was shuffled is part of that finding patterns
Yep, I know what you’re talking about, but spotify weights songs it thinks you’ll like higher than other songs, and with big playlists it really is a noticeable problem. There are services that shuffle the order of your playlist, so then in spotify you play it with spotifys shuffle turned off, and yes there are “patterns” that I notice (one song I had in their twice, I think like a single version and album version, was right next to itself), but at least I actually hear songs I haven’t heard in a long time, and I don’t get the same ones regularly
Yes, that was what I was getting at. Not having true random is one thing, I understand (and like) that implementation. Apple has been doing it since the first few iPods. But Spotify “shuffle” isn’t near even, it is exactly even, as in “if you shuffle play this playlist twice two days in a row, it will play the exact same order”. Which is why people are complaining about Spotify specifically.
Randomness is lumpy as one mathematician put it.
Well, computers physically cannot be random, they rely on logic
CSPRNGs are a thing…
As are radioactive sources
And there’s mathematical tests for whether something is random enough
So no, computers really can do random xD
CSPRNG literally stands for “cryptographically secure pseudorandom number generator”. All randomness in computers is pseudorandom. Not TRULY random
Radioactive sources for randomness aren’t really just put into your average household PC or phone either for obvious reasons.
A CSPRNG is more than random enough for a playlist xD
Take it from someone who works in the field - computers do random well enough rotflol
That’s not what I’m doubting here. I was raising awareness to the fact that a computer physically cannot be truly random. I know that pseudorandomness is enough as we cannot perceive a difference easily.
Why?
Because my playlist has thousands of songs yet I hear the same ones a lot, their algorithm weights songs it thinks you like to be more common in the shuffle