Believe it or not, while there’s many bad things the US is and does, other factions are capable of being and doing worse. Maybe look at a situation on its merits rather than having "America bad“ as your single political principle.
Fuck socialism if it leads to outcomes like the USSR or DPRK - but that’s the thing it doesn’t have to be, and those definitionally aren’t socialism.
Tankies are idiots that think the likes of the USSR are socialist/communist, and are definitionally wrong.
Because of their authoritarian leanings (and myopic focus on American diabolism), tankies frequently agree with other authoritarians like the GOP.
Russia is an authoritarian, autocratic regime conducting an attempted annexation, and due to their ideological alignment, both tankies and the GOP tend to support this annexation.
Communism is a form of socialism, but that’s not relevant here, because neither term is applicable to any party under discussion.
I’m not at all involved in this convo, nor am I a tankie, but I do think it’s important to recognize that the USSR was in fact Socialist, even if it had numerous flaws. It’s useful for both MLs and non-MLs to learn from, I personally am not an ML and would not want to recreate the USSR, but I do form part of my views on what I want from a future Socialist society based on what happened with the USSR.
As an example, I don’t think the structure of a Soviet Republic is sound in and of itself, as it disregards the masses the farther up the chain you go. I’m more in favor of a more decentralized approach.
Yeah - that’s fair, and a mistake on my part - they were socialist, but not communist (lack of worker enfranchisement among other gaps).
I think the main issue with the USSR (and probably the majority of “communist” countries) was the failure to put in the pre-work. Without levelling the economic imbalances and setting up a strong welfare state ahead of time, they created imbalanced economic conditions, which were functionally imbalances in political power that led to a collapse into an authoritarian oligarchy - exacerbated by the challenge of trying to retool the economy overnight to keep people fed.
because neither term is applicable to any party under discussion.
Yet both of you keep using both terms throughout this post.
Why are you misquoting me in response to someone else? Please by all means point to the communism (or socialism for that matter) here. It’s certainly not coming from the tankies, nazbols or USSR in anything other than name.
YOU are the ones conflating the 2
One is a subset of the other, and both are equally irrelevant unless you’ve pointed to the communism/socialism as requested.
YOU (…) somehow even might believe Russia isn’t the 2nd most popular Capitalist hellscape for war crimes.
Of what relevance is this beyond confirming my point about American diabolism?
Tell you to open your eyes to the USA not giving a shit about Ukraine isn’t automatically some kind of russian-plot, or “supporting” the conflict. Most leftists are against the war, but the USA is not against the war.
I swear the libs on here are equally as disillusioned about the real world as straight-up-republicans. You’ve been lied to your entire lives, teach yourself comrade.
Nobody mentioned socialism or the USSR. You did. The flag on the bottom is not even a USSR flag, and the USSR didn’t have an exclusive trademark on the hammer and the sickle. This is a nazi flag with the swastika replaced with the hammer and the sickle, acting as a symbol of the nazbol’s dupery.
The meme is saying that the Lemmy nazbols, using communist imagery, are allies of the US Christofascists of the Republican Party when they glorify Putin’s crimes. The meme could have been better without mentioning the US right, tbh, but the point that nazbols are allies of a fascist regime that is perpetrating crimes no leftist worthy of the name should endorse is valid.
But you’re being dense on purpose, aren’t you? You knew all that. Or did you not read the post’s text?
I’m not the only person downvoting all of you dorks. No, it really just is that confusing on purpose.
Why spend days thinking of a dumb meme format (done incorrectly btw) and then butcher the crop of the stupid elephant, this would have taken maybe 2 seconds to make into something other than a shitpost, but most people have ZERO idea what OP is even saying.
It’s just good old fashioned American diabolism.
Believe it or not, while there’s many bad things the US is and does, other factions are capable of being and doing worse. Maybe look at a situation on its merits rather than having "America bad“ as your single political principle.
Fuck socialism if it leads to outcomes like the USSR or DPRK - but that’s the thing it doesn’t have to be, and those definitionally aren’t socialism.
You used the word “socialism” when the OP has a commie flag of a dead nation on it. What exactly is the point of the meme? I just don’t get it.
Tankies are idiots that think the likes of the USSR are socialist/communist, and are definitionally wrong.
Because of their authoritarian leanings (and myopic focus on American diabolism), tankies frequently agree with other authoritarians like the GOP.
Russia is an authoritarian, autocratic regime conducting an attempted annexation, and due to their ideological alignment, both tankies and the GOP tend to support this annexation.
Communism is a form of socialism, but that’s not relevant here, because neither term is applicable to any party under discussion.
Does that clarify things for you?
I’m not at all involved in this convo, nor am I a tankie, but I do think it’s important to recognize that the USSR was in fact Socialist, even if it had numerous flaws. It’s useful for both MLs and non-MLs to learn from, I personally am not an ML and would not want to recreate the USSR, but I do form part of my views on what I want from a future Socialist society based on what happened with the USSR.
As an example, I don’t think the structure of a Soviet Republic is sound in and of itself, as it disregards the masses the farther up the chain you go. I’m more in favor of a more decentralized approach.
Yeah - that’s fair, and a mistake on my part - they were socialist, but not communist (lack of worker enfranchisement among other gaps).
I think the main issue with the USSR (and probably the majority of “communist” countries) was the failure to put in the pre-work. Without levelling the economic imbalances and setting up a strong welfare state ahead of time, they created imbalanced economic conditions, which were functionally imbalances in political power that led to a collapse into an authoritarian oligarchy - exacerbated by the challenge of trying to retool the economy overnight to keep people fed.
Plenty to learn from, not much to emulate.
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They’re arguing in bad faith. Ignore them.
YOU are the ones conflating the 2, and somehow even might believe Russia isn’t the 2nd most popular Capitalist hellscape for war crimes.
Do I want them to take Ukraine? Nah.
Does the United States/NATO actually care if Ukraine loses? Nah
Ask the 80k USA troops on China’s border if they’ve even heard of Ukraine ;)
Why are you misquoting me in response to someone else? Please by all means point to the communism (or socialism for that matter) here. It’s certainly not coming from the tankies, nazbols or USSR in anything other than name.
One is a subset of the other, and both are equally irrelevant unless you’ve pointed to the communism/socialism as requested.
Of what relevance is this beyond confirming my point about American diabolism?
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Broadly, they’d be examples of tankies supporting the conflict.
As for the rest, it’s sitting with you to continue the conversation by answering my follow-up questions.
Tell you to open your eyes to the USA not giving a shit about Ukraine isn’t automatically some kind of russian-plot, or “supporting” the conflict. Most leftists are against the war, but the USA is not against the war.
I swear the libs on here are equally as disillusioned about the real world as straight-up-republicans. You’ve been lied to your entire lives, teach yourself comrade.
lmao
>50% of your defendant’s army ignores the war in its entirety and focuses on the “China bad” angle instead lol
You do. Fake leftists (aka nazbols) are fighting the Russian propaganda war on Lemmy, siding with the overt fascists.
Russia’s flag isn’t in this post.
To follow up on that, Russia isn’t even a socialist nation.
What are you even talking about? WHERE did socialism come from?
Where am I “siding” with Russia by asking questions about the USSR? @FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works
Nobody mentioned socialism or the USSR. You did. The flag on the bottom is not even a USSR flag, and the USSR didn’t have an exclusive trademark on the hammer and the sickle. This is a nazi flag with the swastika replaced with the hammer and the sickle, acting as a symbol of the nazbol’s dupery.
The meme is saying that the Lemmy nazbols, using communist imagery, are allies of the US Christofascists of the Republican Party when they glorify Putin’s crimes. The meme could have been better without mentioning the US right, tbh, but the point that nazbols are allies of a fascist regime that is perpetrating crimes no leftist worthy of the name should endorse is valid.
But you’re being dense on purpose, aren’t you? You knew all that. Or did you not read the post’s text?
I’m not the only person downvoting all of you dorks. No, it really just is that confusing on purpose.
Why spend days thinking of a dumb meme format (done incorrectly btw) and then butcher the crop of the stupid elephant, this would have taken maybe 2 seconds to make into something other than a shitpost, but most people have ZERO idea what OP is even saying.
This is a political community, sir. You are the problem.
Ignore them. They’re a Hexbear cretin.
OP just had to explain the joke, instead he’s recruited 2-3 of you just asking silly questions ;)