So the question is a bit weird and for the sake of not sounding like a complete edgelord I will try to explain what I mean

I used to be pretty active inside the hooligan scene (lol) when I was younger. I still follow lots of football ultras accounts and the occasional hooligan thing gets posted there as well. It should be no surprise that some hooligan groups are pretty right wing or out right fascist. One of the Dutch accounts posted a Feyenoord hooligan picture in which some of their members posed in front of a ‘anti antifa’ banner, with the purpose of looking cool of course, flexing their muscles and whatnot.

I decided to call them out on it, saying it’s messed up since Rotterdam was bombed to pieces by the Nazis even. They deleted the post afterwards.

I rarely see people do this, not even leftist accounts I follow. Which made me think, should we be less afraid about calling shit like this out? To send some sort of message that we are not afraid of losers like them? Or do you think it is counter productive to do so?

I don’t mean we should start doing ‘come fight me bruh’ things, but I feel like the left is sometimes missing a link between neanderthal fighting and your average debate me bro intellectual leftist that speaks to the people.

  • QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml
    12·
    10 months ago

    Would shouldnt illusion ourselves into making that our prime ideological battleground, but we gotta try a bit. Genzedong worked for a while, we can do similar things without getting too attached to it not being banned eventually. Revolutionary propaganda should be spread as wide as we can.

    • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
      15·
      10 months ago

      We don’t just get banned eventually, it’s not random. We get banned once we’ve actually started to have an impact on discourse.

      This necessarily means that we will always be banned before accomplishing anything. At best what this can do is help other leftists on the internet find each other, and that’s not nothing, but these platforms are not a terrain of struggle any more than consumerism.

      • QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml
        14·
        10 months ago

        I’m sure there’s a decent amount of people that wouldn’t have been radicalized or organizing without gzd or Chapo. Isn’t a moment of impact better than none at all?

        • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
          11·
          10 months ago

          True, maybe in the final moments of a lefty community it manages to radicalize enough people to be a worthwhile use of time?

          I’m skeptical it’s the most efficient use of time, but maybe online matters more than I’m giving credit. Still skeptical, though.