• Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    11 months ago

    That’s just factually untrue. The ‘creators’ are just animators that work for animation studios that get paid by companies like funimation, amazon and Netflix to publish content and those middle men reap the majority of the benefits. Very very rarely do actual individual people make a percentage of whatever a work earns. It’s just middle men executives that earn that.

    I would argue that piracy helps make them more money anyways. The actual money is in merchandise. If I’m able to pirate an anime and really like it I’m more likely to spend money on merchandise VS me not bothering to watch a show and not buying merch.

    Here’s an article proving that the actual creators don’t make much money at all and it’s not because of piracy.

    https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/7/2/20677237/anime-industry-japan-artists-pay-labor-abuse-neon-genesis-evangelion-netflix

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      11 months ago

      It’s not factually untrue. You can’t make that kind of generalization when it objectively does not apply to every studio and every distributor.

      Everything else you’ve said is pointless because you’re only arguing about a subset of content. I’m arguing about all content. People who make the content deserve to be paid for the fruits of their labor. If you don’t pay the distributors, then they stop distributing that content and the people who made it are out of jobs. Netflix, Amazon, and Funimation aren’t going to pay those people to produce more content if people steal it. It’s literally as simple as that.

      You guys are all bending over backwards to defend the very thing that is keeping the situation the way it is and forcing creators to work for these giant distributors. We’re literally using the internet, a place where creators can self-publish their content, and you guys are pretending that piracy is not theft. It’s madness.

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        You guys are all bending over backwards to defend the very thing that is keeping the situation the way it is and forcing creators to work for these giant distributors. We’re literally using the internet, a place where creators can self-publish their content, and you guys are pretending that piracy is not theft. It’s madness.

        The very thing keeping the situation the way it is very much not piracy or can it be placed at the feet of the general consumer. That you think the mess of giant distributors we have today is the fault of digital piracy is actually madness.

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        11 months ago

        My guy, with anime 90 percent of the content comes from light novels or Manga. The reason they get turned into anime is because they’re popular. Netflix Amazon funimation and other distributers often just bid on anime projects and don’t specifically order one particular series.

        Of course they deserve to be paid but I’m arguing that pirating doesn’t cut into their pay because they’ve already been paid before the anime even comes out.

        If buying digital products isn’t owning then pirating isn’t theft. Funimation just said fuck you to all their consumers who ‘bought’ their digital products.

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          Netflix Amazon funimation and other distributers often just bid on anime projects and don’t specifically order one particular series.

          These are distributors and they don’t have a monopoly on anime or manga. They just happen to be the producers who pay for the anime and manga that you like. That’s not an argument against my point.

          If buying digital products isn’t owning then pirating isn’t theft. Funimation just said fuck you to all their consumers who ‘bought’ their digital products.

          Nonsense. This is an entirely different argument than what I’m making. I think it’s false advertising and theft just as much that these companies use the term “Buy” for something you don’t actually own. That is irrelevant to whether or not piracy is theft. Two wrongs don’t make it right.

          I’m not arguing about Funimation’s actions. I’ve already said multiple times that that is also theft. That doesn’t make piracy not theft.

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        11 months ago

        The same disturbers that regularly drop content that people pay for and the same disturbers that claim you own something?

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          11 months ago

          Not at all what I’m arguing. Dropping content and claiming you don’t own something that they position as “buying” is stealing too. I’m not arguing that and have not said what you’re claiming anywhere. You’re arguing a straw man.

          Two wrongs don’t make a right.

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            11 months ago

            Bro you’ve left 140 comments on this thread alone? Do you need help or is piracy such an issue that the world collectively needs to get together to fix this.