Begum asked for the UK’s forgiveness and claimed that she still supported “some British values”. She said she had been partly inspired to join IS by videos of fighters beheading hostages and also of “the good life” under the group.
When asked about the Manchester Arena bombing, she said she was shocked and didn’t “know about the kids”, then said it was wrong to kill innocent people, but that IS considered it justified as retaliation for the coalition bombing of IS-held areas. When questioned about rape, enslavement and murder of Yazidi women, she claimed, “Shia do the same in Iraq”.*
on February 2019, her father Ahmed Ali said, “If she at least admitted she made a mistake then I would feel sorry for her and other people would feel sorry for her, but she does not accept her wrong.” Begum reacted by stating that she regretted speaking to the media and said the UK is making an example out of her.
I suppose you’re of the belief that Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe shouldn’t be gaoled for the murder of Brianna Ghey as well because they were only 16 and what could they possibly know about right or wrong being little children, unable to make decisions on their own.
She is an unremorseful piece of utter shit who directly caused suffering onto others, after being inspired by watching innocent people being murdered. A teenager is not some completely helpless thing, they are capable of making horrific decisions of their own will and sometimes they must live with the consequences of those choices as I’m sure you no doubt agree should happen such as with the Ghey case. If it was something minor, you could probably argue that it was just a stupid childhood mistake, this goes far above and beyond that.
Just to be clear I think she should be in jail (or juvenile before that) for participating in war crimes.
She should be in a British jail.
Disowning your citizens when they commit crimes overseas and turning them into the world’s problem - more specifically the problem of very impoverished nations like Syria and Bangladesh - is an irresponsible, selfish, and shitty thing for the UK to do.
Bruh she was a fuckin rape snitch for isis. She should very much face justice in the country she committed her crimes in not “just a spot of war crime tourism”.
It’s not a view I think you hold, it’s an example of how I think you don’t adhere to your ‘she wasn’t capable of consenting’ argument because I hope you agree that Jenkinson and Ratcliffe were able to ‘consent’ to their own actions at a similar age.
And if you don’t think she can consent, and is actually a victim in all this, why do you want her gaoled?
@Deceptichum I had never heard of those people and had to google them. I… really don’t want to deep dive into true crime right now so I don’t hold an opinion on whether they can be sucessfuly rehabbed but the point I made elsewhere about child soldiers applies in general - it’s a difficult area to deal with, but Western countries need to step up.
My guiding principle here is that I believe human rights are inalienable.
I’m arguing against the idea that there is anything a 15 year old can do that strips them of their human rights.
And it’s ironic that if she’d just been trafficked to Rotherford or something half the people deriving enjoyment from her current status would have had a different response.
She voluntarily chose to go join ISIS after watching videos of people being beheaded, you make it sound like she was kidnapped off of the street and shipped to the middle east against her will.
The British government bears responsibility for letting that happen to one of their citizens either way. The responsible thing to do is to imprison them yourselves, not leaving them stuck in a ramshackle detention camp in rebel held territory in Syria.
@Deceptichum you should take a look at the wikipedia article about the girl that was taken the previous year, it’s quite eye ipening about the methods this cult used to prey on these kids.
Just a completely unrelated fyi here: On lemmy you don’t need to tag a user when you’re replying directly to one of their comments, they’ll automatically get a notification in their inbox.
The reason it turns up in my comments is because kbin autopopulates our comments with tags, and I don’t always remember to check where I am and delete that before I post.
On Kbin itself they’re handy. Kbin integrates with Mastodon and those guys kind of need @tags to follow our conversation threads when they come to discuss our posts.
And on lemmys, the @ is useful for me to keep track of who I’m saying what to anyway at times because our threading can’t handle some of the really big lemmy comment sections.
@Zellith this, she was groomed in the UK and trafficked at age 15 by a people smuggler (who was actually a 5 Eyes/ Canadian asset, what’s worse).
And “married” off a few days later.
Anyone who thinks 15 is too young for the age of consent should face the fact she wasn’t capable of consenting to any of that.
No, fuck her.
Shamima Begum ‘was member of feared Isis morality police’ in Syria
I suppose you’re of the belief that Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe shouldn’t be gaoled for the murder of Brianna Ghey as well because they were only 16 and what could they possibly know about right or wrong being little children, unable to make decisions on their own.
She is an unremorseful piece of utter shit who directly caused suffering onto others, after being inspired by watching innocent people being murdered. A teenager is not some completely helpless thing, they are capable of making horrific decisions of their own will and sometimes they must live with the consequences of those choices as I’m sure you no doubt agree should happen such as with the Ghey case. If it was something minor, you could probably argue that it was just a stupid childhood mistake, this goes far above and beyond that.
@Deceptichum that’s a pretty weird straw man.
Just to be clear I think she should be in jail (or juvenile before that) for participating in war crimes.
She should be in a British jail.
Disowning your citizens when they commit crimes overseas and turning them into the world’s problem - more specifically the problem of very impoverished nations like Syria and Bangladesh - is an irresponsible, selfish, and shitty thing for the UK to do.
Bruh she was a fuckin rape snitch for isis. She should very much face justice in the country she committed her crimes in not “just a spot of war crime tourism”.
It’s not a view I think you hold, it’s an example of how I think you don’t adhere to your ‘she wasn’t capable of consenting’ argument because I hope you agree that Jenkinson and Ratcliffe were able to ‘consent’ to their own actions at a similar age.
And if you don’t think she can consent, and is actually a victim in all this, why do you want her gaoled?
@Deceptichum I had never heard of those people and had to google them. I… really don’t want to deep dive into true crime right now so I don’t hold an opinion on whether they can be sucessfuly rehabbed but the point I made elsewhere about child soldiers applies in general - it’s a difficult area to deal with, but Western countries need to step up.
My guiding principle here is that I believe human rights are inalienable.
I’m arguing against the idea that there is anything a 15 year old can do that strips them of their human rights.
And it’s ironic that if she’d just been trafficked to Rotherford or something half the people deriving enjoyment from her current status would have had a different response.
She voluntarily chose to go join ISIS after watching videos of people being beheaded, you make it sound like she was kidnapped off of the street and shipped to the middle east against her will.
The British government bears responsibility for letting that happen to one of their citizens either way. The responsible thing to do is to imprison them yourselves, not leaving them stuck in a ramshackle detention camp in rebel held territory in Syria.
@Deceptichum you should take a look at the wikipedia article about the girl that was taken the previous year, it’s quite eye ipening about the methods this cult used to prey on these kids.
The worst part is it could have been prevented - her father warned police that these other 15 year olds were at risk and all they did is give the kids themselves a letter to bring to their parents.
Just a completely unrelated fyi here: On lemmy you don’t need to tag a user when you’re replying directly to one of their comments, they’ll automatically get a notification in their inbox.
@_dev_null thanks, I know.
The reason it turns up in my comments is because kbin autopopulates our comments with tags, and I don’t always remember to check where I am and delete that before I post.
On Kbin itself they’re handy. Kbin integrates with Mastodon and those guys kind of need @tags to follow our conversation threads when they come to discuss our posts.
And on lemmys, the @ is useful for me to keep track of who I’m saying what to anyway at times because our threading can’t handle some of the really big lemmy comment sections.