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- politics@lemmy.org
Retired Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman argued that former President Trumpās recent comments about NATO are likely a ācontributing factorā in the death of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny.
āDonald Trump invited Vladimir Putin to attack NATO. I would say that that probably was a contributing factor in the calculus around the assassination of Navalny,ā Vindman told MSNBCās Michael Steele Friday.
Vindmanās comments come just a week after Navalny died in prison. The Biden administration has blamed Russiaās government for the death, but Russia has said he died of natural causes.
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This is a piss poor attempt at collating the two incidents.
NATO would never give a rats ass about the assassination of a Russian politician. Itās outside of NATOās remit and always has been.
Putin has done these assassinations before, even on international soil, and all they get is stern warnings. Thatās a far more likely contributor than Trumpās comments.
My personal belief is that this entire recent iteration of the beef between Russia and the US kicked off because of the Magnitsky Act, which was entirely created by Bill Browderās testimony and at least partly from the US congressās genuine concern over the human rights issues involved, i.e. very little to do directly with anything geopolitical. I donāt think the intent was to go all the way to hot proxy war and active democracy-undermining conflict with them, but we definitely didnāt react āoh dead lawyer who GAFā even back then when it was a much smaller deal.
all they get is stern warnings
You are aware that Russia is excluded from most international forums big and small and under heavy sanctions currently and that weāre sending (or were sending until a few months back) tons of high-powered weapons to Ukraine to use to blow their soldiers up, yes? And that we just enacted a whole bunch more sanctions specifically because of Navalny?
Thatās a far more likely contributor than Trumpās comments.
Personally, my initial reaction was actually inclined to agree with you on this part. I have trouble seeing how anything Trump says would have anything to do with what they did to Navalny. On the other hand, Vindman has a lot more familiarity with Russiaās operating principles than either of us; heās from the USSR and spent significant time in the US diplomatic corps and professional study of the topic, so Iām a little reluctant to just airily dismiss what he has to say about it. Heās much more qualified than you or I are on it so Iām more inclined to hear him out.
My personal belief is that this entire recent iteration of the beef between Russia and the US kicked off because of the Magnitsky Act
Itās an interesting theory. I assumed it was due to the protests of 2011 -> ratings rapidly fell -> inventing external enemies, taking Crimea, turn brainwashing to the 1000%. I feel like nothing external was at play, and if there werenāt no country but Russia, like literally empty space, theyād still blow the provocation whistle.
Personally, my initial reaction was actually inclined to agree with you on this part. I have trouble seeing how anything Trump says would have anything to do with what they did to Navalny.
The timing of that is interesting for Alexei was sitting in prison for years. My assumption was again internal: that he was killed one month before the Putinās re-election, to show he would violently suppress anyone whoād get in his way. But can it be an external signal? To who? To NATO countries other than USA, who may lose their strategic partner? To exact politicians whoād be against it? Iām confused.
I wish you good luck in learning what ācontributingā means!
I wish you good luck in coming up with any reasonable explanation as to how this contributes in any significant way.
Navalnyās death was probably decided years ago by Putin. For him, Trump is just an useful idiot.
Attacking NATO = killing a Russian politician?
You people are so stupid.
Americans donāt give a shit about this person.
Youād have to be a republican-style moron not to see that putin is probing Western unity and resolve.
Huh, figures. Check out this guyās comment history. I pinned the tail on the dumbass.
āIām possibly the next president and think youāre dreamy, Vladā absolutely emboldens him and killing Navalny sends the message that he heard him loud and clear.
The US government, and much less the country at large, is not a monolith with one single āgiving a shitā or not. But yes, in addition to a segment which doesnāt give a shit, thereās another segment that does, up to and including doing what we can geopolitically to give them consequences for it.
I was going to comment about how stupid you sound here, but your recent comment about stoping the houthis by nuking their coast is magnitudes more stupid than this.
I think itās safe to say that no one gives a fuck what unintelligent diarrhea comes out of your keyboard.
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