Retired Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman argued that former President Trumpā€™s recent comments about NATO are likely a ā€œcontributing factorā€ in the death of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny.

ā€œDonald Trump invited Vladimir Putin to attack NATO. I would say that that probably was a contributing factor in the calculus around the assassination of Navalny,ā€ Vindman told MSNBCā€™s Michael Steele Friday.

Vindmanā€™s comments come just a week after Navalny died in prison. The Biden administration has blamed Russiaā€™s government for the death, but Russia has said he died of natural causes.

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    This is a piss poor attempt at collating the two incidents.

    NATO would never give a rats ass about the assassination of a Russian politician. Itā€™s outside of NATOā€™s remit and always has been.

    Putin has done these assassinations before, even on international soil, and all they get is stern warnings. Thatā€™s a far more likely contributor than Trumpā€™s comments.

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      My personal belief is that this entire recent iteration of the beef between Russia and the US kicked off because of the Magnitsky Act, which was entirely created by Bill Browderā€™s testimony and at least partly from the US congressā€™s genuine concern over the human rights issues involved, i.e. very little to do directly with anything geopolitical. I donā€™t think the intent was to go all the way to hot proxy war and active democracy-undermining conflict with them, but we definitely didnā€™t react ā€œoh dead lawyer who GAFā€ even back then when it was a much smaller deal.

      all they get is stern warnings

      You are aware that Russia is excluded from most international forums big and small and under heavy sanctions currently and that weā€™re sending (or were sending until a few months back) tons of high-powered weapons to Ukraine to use to blow their soldiers up, yes? And that we just enacted a whole bunch more sanctions specifically because of Navalny?

      Thatā€™s a far more likely contributor than Trumpā€™s comments.

      Personally, my initial reaction was actually inclined to agree with you on this part. I have trouble seeing how anything Trump says would have anything to do with what they did to Navalny. On the other hand, Vindman has a lot more familiarity with Russiaā€™s operating principles than either of us; heā€™s from the USSR and spent significant time in the US diplomatic corps and professional study of the topic, so Iā€™m a little reluctant to just airily dismiss what he has to say about it. Heā€™s much more qualified than you or I are on it so Iā€™m more inclined to hear him out.

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        My personal belief is that this entire recent iteration of the beef between Russia and the US kicked off because of the Magnitsky Act

        Itā€™s an interesting theory. I assumed it was due to the protests of 2011 -> ratings rapidly fell -> inventing external enemies, taking Crimea, turn brainwashing to the 1000%. I feel like nothing external was at play, and if there werenā€™t no country but Russia, like literally empty space, theyā€™d still blow the provocation whistle.

        Personally, my initial reaction was actually inclined to agree with you on this part. I have trouble seeing how anything Trump says would have anything to do with what they did to Navalny.

        The timing of that is interesting for Alexei was sitting in prison for years. My assumption was again internal: that he was killed one month before the Putinā€™s re-election, to show he would violently suppress anyone whoā€™d get in his way. But can it be an external signal? To who? To NATO countries other than USA, who may lose their strategic partner? To exact politicians whoā€™d be against it? Iā€™m confused.

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      9 months ago

      I wish you good luck in learning what ā€œcontributingā€ means!

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        I wish you good luck in coming up with any reasonable explanation as to how this contributes in any significant way.