• Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Sealioning as genuine trolling is shitty and done in bad faith.

    It’s literally part of the definition that it’s in bad faith. Otherwise it isn’t sealioning.

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      10 months ago

      Sure, but in this comment the sealion is initially acting in good faith towards by what any standard of the world presented in the comic would be a racist.

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        10 months ago

        Are you sure about that? The first actual request of the sealion is ridiculously overbroad and would be extremely difficult and time-consuming to comply with.

        At which point the sealion would doubtlessly respond by either nitpicking one example amongst many or moving the goalposts.

        Doesn’t seem to me that it was acting in good faith at any point.

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          10 months ago

          Idk bro, you could replace the sealion with that guy who un-racisted all those Klan members and I bet the initial interaction was pretty similar. It gets back on track when the sealion follows him home and all, but I think it would have been a stronger comic if they were talking about other things when the sealion hounds him about a different topic.

          Then people who don’t know what sealioning is look up what the fuck it’s about and it doesn’t look the sealion is just practicing active anti-racism.

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            10 months ago

            I’d actually argue the contrary: that it’s initially questionable whether or not the sealion is acting in bad faith rather than immediately obvious mirrors real life and as such better illustrates how a sealion differs from an immediately obvious troll.

            It’s clear from the context of the comic that it’s the behavior of such sea mammals that she dislikes rather than anything intrinsic that they don’t choose themselves and can’t change.

            The sealion immediately latching onto a misunderstanding of intent and refusing to let go of it is in fact another way in which the comic effectively illustrates sealioning.

            …this is beginning to feel uncomfortably meta…

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              10 months ago

              Yeah, someone here isn’t admitting there’s a weird racial element to “I just don’t like the way all of those types act…” when all you need to say is “yeah it’s a little weird” and everyone can move on with things like saying “Yeah, fuck sealions.”

              It’s also not a great look to pretend a direct, ongoing discussion in a specific post is the same as someone following you around social media, pretending ignorance of the topic, and endlessly requesting clarification.

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                10 months ago

                Fine, you win. The racism that you’re imagining in spite of the context showing otherwise is totally there and it’s a really bad look for me to not just go along with your weird pet theory because you say so.

                Happy? Can I eat my breakfast now?

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                  10 months ago

                  Seems like you’re not being honest, but you’re clearly not interested in that on this topic.

                  It seems like you’re more interested in pretending to be a victim in a mutual conversation you can end at any time by just not responding.