• lennybird@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I’m no scholar and Trump should be somewhere in the bottom-10th percentile for sure, but that Andrew Jackson isn’t dead last discredits the entire thing, honestly.

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      Andrew Jackson was an evil bastard, but he was also very effective.

      He successfully paid off the national debt, was highly-successful navigating foreign affairs (including avoiding a war with France), brought Arkansas and Michigan into the union, and was partially responsible for Texas joining through covert arming of Texan revolutionaries. His last act as President was to formally recognize the Republic of Texas, which was the first step towards its annexation.

      The Indian Removal Act earned him a special place in Hell and tainted his legacy forever. But he had some successes. Trump’s only real achievement was being President after the Republicans had refused to appoint any federal judges, so even his single political success came down to Mitch McConnell being effective in the Obama years and RBG dying at the right time.

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        Him paying off the national debt caused the longest and deepest (by percentage not dollar value, great depression wins there) depression in US history.

        We were founded as a country of traders, and by paying off the national debt, we removed the dollars that other countries had to buy stuff from us. This crippled our economy for well over a decade. I wouldn’t call that effective, unless you think he was actually trying to sabotage the country, which I wouldn’t put past him.

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          That’s the thing. He was evil, but effective. What did Trump even accomplish aside from stacking the Court, which really had nothing to do with him?

          If a politician does something harmful that I hate, that’s not necessarily the save thing as being a bad or ineffective President. Plenty of bad people are effective leaders, and plenty of good ones are not.

          Jimmy Carter was probably the best person to ever be President, and his stances on environmental issues were decades ahead of their time. I love Jimmy Carter.

          But he wasn’t a good President because he couldn’t get anything done. Andrew Jackson did.

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            That’s why I say Trump should forever be stuck at the 45th percentile of presidents. He was mediocre at best, and a useful tool at worst.

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        Yeah those are fair points but I just personally kind of think the whole genocide thing immediately sends him to the bottom, independent of his efficiency elsewhere. Scholars seem to be over-thinking it if not whitewashing here.

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          If Trump were to have had a chance at a genocide, he’d have jumped at the opportunity. I firmly believe that he’d have directly started carpet-bombing Gaza if he were in office a few months back.

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      4 months ago

      He was pretty mediocre as a president really. Put him in the 45th percentile, and keep him there.

      Also Wilson is arguably worse than Jackson, but not by much