Instead of just electrifying vehicles, cities should be investing in alternative methods of transportation. This article is by the Scientific Foresight Unit of the European Parliamentary Research Service (EPRS), a EU’s own think tank.

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    9 months ago

    A recent study found that a single unmuffled scooter driving through Paris at 3am can wake up 10,000 people.

    So sure, scooters have low CO₂ emission but I would like to see a ban on non-electric scooters for their sound emissions, at least during certain hours.

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      9 months ago

      The European Union should push electric motor scooters and allow them 55 km/h (kph). Gas-driven motor scooters are only allowed 45 km/h. They should be discouraged by higher taxes as they are in Asia.

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        10 months ago

        And what, only wake up 8,000 people instead? I’ve never heard an unmuffled one, but those little 50 cc fuckers are screaming loud in the high pitch frequencies - a perfect recipe for wakefulness. I often wake up when one of those assholes drives within a block of me at night. It doesn’t even have to traverse my street.

        Even if it wakes 5,000 people, who then take 1 hr on avg to return to sleep, 5,000 man hours per scooter per day of lost sleep has to have a measurable loss of productivity and even quality of life.

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      9 months ago

      Related fun fact: most of the noise cars produce at highway speeds is from tire noise, not from engines.

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        9 months ago

        The related fun fact to that would be that high-pitched sounds are more annoying and perceived to be louder than low frequency sounds with the same db.

        I’m sure my sleep is more disrupted living in a city with an occasional 2-stroke engine screaming by than it would be if I lived next to a highway with that relatively constant and relatively distant ambient tire noise.

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      9 months ago

      The scooters they mention in the article are the e-scooters you ride standing up in the bike lane. Not mopeds.

      I also think mopeds are a good replacement to cars, much more appropriate for 1-2 people in urban areas. But it needs to be the quieter models. The two-stroke-engine ones are just really too loud for a city. (and they burn motor oil as well as gas)

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        The scooters they mention in the article are the e-scooters you ride standing up in the bike lane.

        No they are not. That makes no sense. Stand-up e-scooters are relatively quiet. Quotes from the article (emphasis added):

        “worst of all, the high-pitched wail of motor scooters that speed by every few seconds.”

        “Motorcycles and scooters — often with their exhaust systems illegally modified to boost noise and power”

        “The noise can be ear-splitting,”

        Obviously you would not describe a stand-up scooter as ear-splitting or capable of waking someone up. They’re talking about gas small gas combustion engines, most of which are the worst variety on scooters: 2-stroke.

        Or if you meant the OP’s article is talking about e-scooters, that article actually covered both:

        “Weight rates are usually over 10 times more favourable for the average motorbike or scooter and, of course, even better for lighter vehicles such as electric bicycles or kick-scooters.”

        My reaction was to the idea that motor scooters are more favorable by a factor of 10 due to the weight – which is true, but my criteria is more complex than just ecocide-avoidance… I want my sleep too!

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          9 months ago

          True, I was talking about OP’s article but you’re also right that they mention both. I was thinking of the mentioned ban of scooters in Paris, this one only refers to the stand up e-scooters.

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            9 months ago

            They banned e-scooters in Paris? I’ve not heard that. Was it just the rentals or all e-scooters?

            The article I referenced said Paris is banning noisy scooters, which would be motor scooters.