Donald Tusk warns of a "pre-war era" and speaks of the most critical moment since World War Two.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk has delivered a blunt warning that Europe has entered a “pre-war era” and if Ukraine is defeated by Russia, nobody in Europe will be able to feel safe.

“I don’t want to scare anyone, but war is no longer a concept from the past,” he told European media. “It’s real and it started over two years ago.”

His remarks came as a fresh barrage of Russian missiles targeted Ukraine.

Russia has intensified its bombardment of Ukraine in recent weeks.

Overnight into Friday Ukraine’s air force said it had shot down 58 drones and 26 missiles and Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal said energy infrastructure had been damaged in six regions, in the west, centre and east of the country.

    • mean_bean279@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      8 months ago

      That didn’t start as a NATO mission at all. It only became one after the US, UK, Canada and France had already started the mission and Italy wanted NATO to take control otherwise they wouldn’t join in. I don’t know the specifics of how it met criteria for NATO to be involved, but it certainly wasn’t something NATO started. It’s also probably better if NATO generals take over missions that are more western country based as that means all members have a say in what goes on and for how long. They even talk in the article about how the only ground forces were non-NATO troops and were not authorized by NATO.

    • NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      8 months ago

      On 19 March 2011, a multi-state NATO-led coalition began a military intervention in Libya to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973

            • NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              8 months ago

              If you’re implying my point is a non-sequitur, it’s directly from your source and relevant context. Not a single nation voted against the resolution, both the African Union and the Arab League strongly supported intervention. I think it’s pretty clear in hindsight it was inappropriate for NATO to handle but a one time intervention backed by the UNSC does not a doctrine make. It definitely doesn’t justify Russia invading Ukraine or stealing Crimea.

              Edit: just to head off any Yugoslavia bombing rebuttals, UNSC 1203 was also passed with no votes against.

              • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafeEnglish
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                8 months ago

                In other words

                It’s negotiable when capital is on the line.

                Because now the rape is a systemic revenge policy but all of a sudden the oil isn’t paying for everyone’s college and healthcare.

                • NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  8 months ago

                  Negotiable when authorized by a UNSC resolution.

                  Not sure what you’re trying to say about a systemic revenge policy.

                  • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafeEnglish
                    1·
                    8 months ago

                    So

                    Negotiable when the capitalist vetos, aka all the modern vetos, agree. Glad we’re on the same page.

                    https://www.aljazeera.com/program/featured-documentaries/2019/9/7/unspeakable-crime-rape-as-a-weapon-of-war-in-libya

                    https://www.france24.com/en/20120920-muammar-gaddafi-rape-weapon-libya-annick-cojean-le-monde-sexual-slavery-harem-abuse-women

                    The primary evidence that Gaddafi was a bad bad dictator in the eyes of public opinion were rape allegations. There wasn’t actually a lot of evidence of this, but there was enough that between that and his creepy women bodyguards/sex slaves that no one really denies it unless they’re on the full on unhinged America Always Lies train.

                    So whenever people would ask “what makes Gaddafi so bad besides not liking America,” bam, he’s a serial rapist.

                    The problem is he also did a lot of demonstrably good things for the Libyan people, but you start looking like a borderline Dave Chappelle sketch if you defend that aspect.

                    The other problem, as outlined in the first article, is that Libya’s systemic rape problem is/was way, way, WAY worse than before. Only now they don’t even get the social benefits they used to.

                    Which rather puts a point on the issue that NATO and the UN didn’t actually give a shit about Gaddafi being a rapist. That was just an excuse for intervention for the people unsure about bombing another group of brown people with oil.

                    Hopefully it calms down now that civil war is actually ending, but the problem is they’re an unstable African country with oil across from Europe so.

                    Good luck.