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    Who do you imagine is showing me presentations, that make me think these things? I’m just curious.

    Family separations at the border; for anyone in one of those families, the result of Trump being in office during that time versus Clinton or Biden is pretty fuckin significant

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        Your digital toys speak and you believe.

        As do yours, dipshit. I’m sorry that you saw a bunch of depressing news and it turned you into a nihilistic edgelord, but you need to stop trying to drag other people down with you by trying to convince us that since we can’t conclusively 100% definitively prove that voting makes a difference, we shouldn’t bother getting off our couches on election day.

        There is zero proof of the existence of God, yet people still pray. Even if they aren’t sure they really believe, hey, they might as well. There is a mountain of evidence that voting works and it costs $0 to do it.

        $15/hr minimum wage. People living in a studio apartment can now ring up people’s hamburgers without choosing between food and rent as a direct result of a ballot measure in several states across America. But who’s counting?

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          With a population of people like you, just a few different time wasting distractions will give me complete control over you. Waste your time all you like. I don’t have a horse in the race anymore.

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            With a population of people like you, just a few different time wasting distractions will give me complete control over you.

            Very interesting choice of words.

            I had my suspicions you had an ulterior motive to convince leftists not to vote when you didn’t even try to defend your position, instead responding with the standard troll evasions and goalpost moving. It’s nice having it confirmed, though.

            Oh, and just in case anyone at home is keeping score: the SAG-AFTRA strike directly prevented Hollywood from replacing all of their existing actors with AI recreations and subsequently firing them.

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        I’m gonna get a little self congratulatory about it. During Covid, I was watching the news coming out of China, and somewhat ahead of the curve on explaining to people that it was going to be a huge deal, even down to the specifics of we’re going to need to stay home for a while but it won’t be an apocalypse, we want to stock up on masks, things like that. One of my friends actually told me I seemed like I had the inside track on it. If I was just watching CNN for what was going to happen I would have been absolutely an idiot about it… I actually remember when the news and CDC was telling people masks didn’t work, and me telling someone “This might sound a little weird, but I actually don’t think that’s true.” And then explaining why.

        I’ve known people who’ve worked for presidential candidates and spent some amount of time with them. The world is not as isolated and theoretical as you’re making it sound. I get what you’re saying, but there’s a whole world of experience beyond just what happens on the screen. If you’re purely in the consumer mode then yes. If you’re active in the actual events then you start to learn what is worth listening to and see what seems well-founded in terms of how things actually play out.

        That’s why abortion is a good touchstone. It’s a lot of Republicans’ first harsh wake up call to the idea that the news and how things are packaged has been lying to them all this time. I’ve been wrong about things plenty of time, but IDK why you would assume my only experience with the world is just what I’m observing on the screen.

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          You must have a lot of time and money to do something more than coming home from work at eating what’s shoveled your way.

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            40% reduction in emissions predicted by 2030 (not that that’s enough, but it’s definitely a difference from what Trump would have done)

            (If you can tell me Trump maybe isn’t real, I can tell you, yes it’s definitely going to happen exactly that way because the New York Times told me so. The truth probably lies between those two extremes.)