• Neuromancer@lemm.eeOPM
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    6 months ago

    The problem is Hamas, the leadership of the Palestinians, does not want to end the genocide or the state of Israel exists.

    There is a reason the world is letting Israel clean up Gaza and most the world is not saying a word.

    Ukraine is wildly supportive of Israel as well. They know what it is like to be attacked by your hostile neighbor all the time.,

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      6 months ago

      So you’re saying the genocide is okay because they deserve it as a ethnicity? Bold strategy

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            6 months ago

            The only genocide going on is Hamas trying to kill the jews. All they have to do is stop trying to kill the jews and the genocide would stop.

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              6 months ago

              So the people who are ethnically Palestinian who live in Gaza and are not a part of Hamas need to die so that Hamas gets punished?

              How can group killings end the genocide?

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                  6 months ago

                  I’m not sure it’s a straw man. Your advice to end the genocide, is to get Hamas to stop doing a thing. But Hamas is not the city. The city is filled with people who are mostly not Hamas. So we’re talking about collective punishment. A city is being punished until some people who live in the city, but not all people who live in the city, do a thing. That’s classic collective punishment.

                  So please help me understand, how does a citizen of Gaza, who is not engaged in hostilities, and not a member of Hamas, how do they not get killed?

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                    6 months ago

                    o the people who are ethnically Palestinian who live in Gaza and are not a part of Hamas need to die so that Hamas gets punished?

                    Nobody made the claim they needed to die. They are dying because of the actions of Hamas and not because of Israel. Hamas declared war on Israel, and Israel had a duty and obligation to fight the war until Hamas surrendered or negotiated a ceasefire.

                    Hamas is the government of the Palestinians. If they are unhappy with Hamas, they should remove Hamas and ask for a cease-fire, but Hamas is wildly popular with the Palestinians.

                    When you have combat in a city, civilians will be killed, and Israel tries to avoid that, but warfare isn’t a video game. Hamas is the one fighting from the cities to maximize civilian casualties as they think it will gain them support in the world.

                    They didn’t play their cards well because they started off with a mass attack against civilians, taking hostages against international law, raping women, etc.

                    It’s why the world is letting Israel clean up this mess.

                    If Hamas wanted civilians to stop dying, they would stop using them as shields. The issue is their strategy is to maximize civilian deaths as they think it makes them look good.