I’m a beginner climber and I got Evolv Shamans in my street size a few weeks ago since I read good reviews about them and I got them pretty cheap as they were in the discounted section of my local climbing shop, but only in that size. They’ve been great at allowing me to stand on small edges and get better height on my toes due to the thick rand, but they hurt like hell to wear, making the benefits I gain from using them somewhat moot, as I’m not able to climb and improve as much as I’d like to.
I’ve been wearing them around the house in addition to the gym in the hopes of breaking them in quicker (I’ve had to wear plastic bags on my feet to prevent blisters on my heels and toes from excessive friction) and I noticed they don’t really seem to have broken in that much and still hurt my toes a lot (especially the tops of my big toes), so I’d like some recommendations for the next pair that I get.
I have Morton’s toe/Greek feet and my feet are probably wider and less-arched than average. I’d like to get a more comfortable pair for long gym sessions, so I think I’d prefer lace-up shoes in the future. I’ve narrowed my choices down to the Scarpa Veloce L and the Ocún Advancer LU, both of which are lace-up, apparently suited for Greek feet, and are vegan. I’d appreciate some comparisons if people have experience with them, or if you have recommendations for other shoes that might suit my criteria better, please share them too!
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Wow thanks for the detailed advice. The toe issue I’m having is both with the toenails, which feel like they’re being pressed in a lot, and also with the knuckles above them, which feel like they’re being bent too much, as the joints feel sore after wearing the shoes.
I do clip my nails short every time I climb, but yeah, the top of the big toenails do hurt still, especially on slabs/footwork-heavy climbs, where I’m tip-toeing a lot.
I’ll have to try that taping trick and see if that helps with the big toe knuckle. There’s definitely too little room as I’ve started getting calluses above my big toes, from where the skin above the joint is just pressed too tightly against the inside of the shoe. I might try that warm water in a bucket tip if things don’t improve, but I’m hesitant to as I can’t imagine that would be too good for the longevity of the shoes.
I think I’ll definitely have to try on the shoes longer next time I buy a pair and give more weight on what really feels best rather than other criteria like price and pre-conceptions when picking them out.
It’s interesting you mentioned ballet. I was thinking the other day how good ballet dancers would perform on slabs if they tried climbing on them as they seem to have really great control of their bodies’ balance and footwork. It’d be interesting to see them try it out. I imagine there’s a lot of cross-over with the muscles, joints and movements being trained.
Sounds like you need another set of shoes. Not as a replacement, but as your all-rounder. And it sounds like the Shamans are your high grade shoe you whip out when you want to work something hard. You said you were quite new to climbing, so aggressive shoes may be physically too much to have on all the time at the moment. But they will rapidly teach you new techniques and improve your climbing in the beginning because they allow a lot more.
I’d definitely recommend the Red Chili Voltages if you can try them on first to confirm. I had a friend rave about them, so I tried them on, and holy shit… A fantastic comfortable all-rounder for bouldering in and outdoors. Quite a few of my crew have converted and now preach the same. I thought Solutions were my fav bouldering shoe until I tried the Skwamas and now the Skwamas only come out for really hard grade.
If you’re really enjoying slab, you will definitely hurt your toes much more than normal climbing. No way around that. You need those toes scrunched up in the toe box so you can do precise placements on tiny spots—theres no comfy option. My partner says, “Climbing is dancing with gravity and slab is the ballet.” It’s her preferred style and she switches between Shamans for boulder and Katanas for lead or easy boulder.
If you can only afford one more pair and will stick to only bouldering, I’d avoid laces and get a strap shoe that suits your foot instead. Laces are very annoying bouldering. Really, you should aim for laces if you’ll also be using them on single pitches where a 5min climb can turn into 20 after tying in, leading, anchoring, cleaning, and rappelling, thankful you’re not wearing your top-end binding boulder shoes.
For the taping trick—marbles is another good one shoved in with packaging in the shoe—just Google “climbing shoe hotspots” and you’ll get good info :)