• Belastend@lemmy.world
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    16 days ago

    Weird. I dont remember Neo murdering civilians and then parading their naked bodies around while pelting them stones. I also dont recall the rebel founding charta mentioning something about a holy war of eradication against all clones in the galaxy.

    Maybe, just maybe, the real isnt like a neat 3 hour film with clearly established sides and maybe we could acknowledge that neither Hamas nor the fucking IDF is remotely close to being good. But nah, that would require us to not make cheap point for likes on twitter.

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      15 days ago

      You know that the hamas is not the whole resistance neither the only one being bombed, right ? Also, you should watch Andor

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        15 days ago

        it is the largest armed group in Gaza. And the largest force of armed resistance. The other parts of the armed resistance that also participated in 7/10 arent better.

        did i ever claim they all deserve to be bombed? The civilians in Gaza and the West Bank certainly dont deserve be bombed. Just like the rave attendents didnt deserve to be murdered.

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          15 days ago

          Okay now we establish who deserved what, maybe we should ask ourselves if this punishment help to prevent this murders to happen again, or will their cause another disaster in the futur.

          We could find the Isralien army more or less virtuous than the Palestinians armed resistance, and throw examples and counter examples, our we think about what cause it, and how to stop it. Having a materialist approach

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            15 days ago

            Yeah, but that is an entirely different discussion from the consoomeresque comparison OP tried to make.

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      13 days ago

      The clones where already phased out by the time of the alliance to restore the republic, it was the empire that had wiped them out (always pull up the ladder behind you).

      On a more serious note: the ‘both sides bad’ point is a bit moot when many western nations (including the USA and UK, where most english speaking twit-lords come from) are actively providing financial and military support to one of those sides. If it were discovered MI6 had been smuggling missiles to hamas then we could talk about what how to put a stop to it.

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        15 days ago

        And few mention the long term support both financially and military aid provided to Hamas by Iran to attack Israel. Much like they support the Houthis in firing missiles at shipping.

        There is a shadow war happening right now. I find it interesting that Hamas launched their attack on Israel and then the Houthi followed up by attacking global shipping vessels with missiles in the Straights of Hormuz. Both factions receive money and weapons from Iran.

        Who is right and who is wrong mostly depends on who you want to see do the genocide. But a genocide will happen in that region one way or another.

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          14 days ago

          Just like how preventing the genocide of poles/jews/gypsies in europe required the counter-genocide of the German people?

          Confict between Iran and the west does not need to be settled in Gazan hospitals. Why I ought I support the actual in-progress genocide because of the hypothetical genocide that would be carried out in absence of western support, espacily given that Isreali military spending alone is already twice Iranian? Withdrawing support from Isreal would not wipe the nation out, just cause it to place greater weight on international support (and thereby international law) when conducting their war.

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            13 days ago

            I don’t like what’s happening either. But like it or not, this genocide is going to be settled in someone’s hospitals. Just like the fire bombing of Dresden or Japanese cites was a type of genocide. Among the destruction of war industries, it also was a signal to those German peoples that we would every last one of them if we had to.

            Perhaps if any of the Middle Eastern countries would care about the Palestinian people enough to have helped broker a solution long before today, this wouldn’t be happening. But it would appear that none of the the Palestinian’s Muslim neighbors seem to care about the average Palestinian or even want help find a peaceful solution to the problem. Instead, their general actions seem to for the genocide as much as the Zionists.