Electric vs Gas
xkcd.com

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An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that’s the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.

  • Noxy@yiffit.netEnglish
    11·
    5 months ago

    being on a track and being able to hear what my tires are doing, individually, in the absence of engine and exhaust (and intake) noises, is a pretty cool level of connectedness and engagement.

    • deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      5·
      5 months ago

      Fair enough. Do you do track days yourself? I would love to learn more about what I can from listening to my tires.

      Still, no engine noise.

      I’m not a EV hater, just saying that there are more to cars than 0-100km/h stats and range. And to me, most of these aesthetic qualities are lost with EVs. The only EV that looks interesting from a aesthetics point of view is the inonic 5 n, imho.

      • Noxy@yiffit.netEnglish
        3·
        5 months ago

        Yup!

        Two track days in my Taycan - one at Portland International Raceway, and one at Pacific Raceways.

        One rallycross event at Dirtfish in a Fiesta ST

        Two day AWD rally racing instruction at Dirtfish (their owm WRX STI sedans)

        Several track days in a Cayman at Pacific Raceways and one at The Ridge

        And awhile back, track days and autocross in RX-8 and Genesis Coupe. Even a winter autocross in the RX-8 once, which was interesting and challenging.

        I totally agree that driving cars for enjoyment which have engaging qualities like three pedals can be that much more enjoyable. And I agree that the Ioniq 5 N offers a really compelling feature for folks like us in their simulated gears - I REALLY wanna try that and I hope the concept spreads to other sporty EVs!

        Edit: to answer the start of your post, I can hear which tires are losing grip, which can mean a whole bunch of things, like if the fronts are squealing in a corner I could lift off a tiny bit to shift weight forward and give them more grip, or remember to brake earlier before I hit that same turn on the next lap. Nothing I don’t already intuit from steering wheel feedback and the “butt feel” of inertia, but it’s another dimension of that awareness

    • rab@lemmy.caEnglish
      31·
      5 months ago

      But the steering rack isn’t even physically connected to the wheels anymore so that sucks

      • reddithalation@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        1·
        5 months ago

        how does that matter if the drive by wire has force feedback.

        people argued over fly by wire in planes when it started emerging, how it was taking the safe controllable mechanical link away or whatever, but ultimately it has proven its safety and reliability over mechanical linkages anyway

        • rab@lemmy.caEnglish
          2·
          5 months ago

          I’m not disagreeing that it’s better but I just prefer the direct feel of hydraulic steering. It’s the primary reason I drive a 15 year old BMW and refuse to get something newer haha

          I’ve tried the new models but the feel just isn’t there