ASHLAND — Twenty-six Amish who refused to pay their fines for violating a law that requires flashing lights on their buggies appeared in court on Friday.

Once there, Ashland Municipal Court Judge John Good ruled out the possibility of jail time for them and instead said he would impose liens on their real estate.

  • themeatbridge@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    86
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    No. I live in PA, and we have a similar law. I remember before it was passed, and seeing buggies with just the reflectors.

    Close up, directly in front of lights, you can see reflectors fine, but your lights aren’t always pointing at them. Maybe it’s a curve or a hill, maybe they are approaching an intersection, but flashing lights can be seen from all angles.

    Also, most Amish have no problem using modern technology when required. It’s not like a pathological fear, it’s a religious devotion to self-reliance. They use cell phones and power tools when they need to, and they hire “English” (non-Amish) to drive them in cars. Some are more insular than others, and they rarely get involved in politics, so they mostly just do whatever is required.

    • DrunkEngineer@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      15
      arrow-down
      21
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      Maybe it’s a curve or a hill, maybe they are approaching an intersection, but flashing lights can be seen from all angles.

      Note that this law requires Amish use lights even in daytime, which won’t be visible around a bend or hill at such times. What’s next…telling bikes/peds they also have to go around wearing daytime strobe lights?

      • themeatbridge@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        42
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        4 months ago

        Bikes should have daytime strobes and headlamps. Cars should always have their headlights on. Visibility reduces accidents.

        You can be on a curved road or a hill and have vehicles you can see that are not within your headlight beams. Further, if a vehicle is obstructed by a curve or hill, you may see lights illuminate the dark ahead of you before the vehicle comes into view.

        There’s no reason not to have lights on vehicles on the road.

        • snooggums@midwest.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          4 months ago

          Further, if a vehicle is obstructed by a curve or hill, you may see lights illuminate the dark ahead of you before the vehicle comes into view.

          Plus this sometimes works during the day in shadey areas or when it is very overcast.

          • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            13
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            Or when people are idiots and just don’t turn them on when they’re supposed to.

            You’d think with how prevalent automatic headlights are nowadays there’d be a lot less people driving with them off in the rain/dark, yet every single night I see at least one idiot doing it in a car that I know has automatic headlights.

              • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                4 months ago

                There are some very edge case scenarios where you’d want it off. Ex: a while back I was sitting in a parking garage and my headlights were shining right into some poor dudes face 0.5 floors below me.

                But I think it mostly comes down to these people are fucking morons and probably shouldn’t be allowed to drive on public roads.

                The issue could be solved with something similar to what ford does with their shift lever. If you turn the car off when it’s in drive and try to get out the car puts itself in park and the shift lever moves into the park position. Just do that with the headlights and snap them back into auto every time you turn the car on.

                • MutilationWave@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  4 months ago

                  For sure. I turn mine off in parking garages. Then you know I turn them back on auto because I’m not a total idiot haha.

              • M0oP0o@mander.xyz
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                4 months ago

                The idea of having lights on these buggies is literally counter to their whole belief system. You or I might not share the same world view but it is mind-blowing that you wonder why the Amish would not run electric lights on their horse and buggies…

                Wait… I am an idiot and this was not the right statement to make in this case. Please point and laugh at me.

            • SlippyCliff76@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              3 months ago

              It probably has more to do with always on dashboards and infotainment systems in SUVs more then anything else.

        • SlippyCliff76@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          3 months ago

          Bikes should have daytime strobes and headlamps. Cars should always have their headlights on. Visibility reduces accidents.

          This is so utterly car brained. Bicycles and Amish buggies aren’t even remotely the ones making the danger here. Are we going to require stupid flashing beacons on pedestrians now to?? No, the solution here is a road diet, traffic calming, speed governors on SUVs, and modal separation.

          There’s no reason not to have lights on vehicles on the road.

          Because it costs money to run lights, and good lights cost money. (https://www.bumm.de/en/products/akku-scheinwerfer/parent/1922/produkt/1922qmla.html)

        • grue@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          18
          arrow-down
          18
          ·
          4 months ago

          Yeah, and we should fit all the wildlife with strobes too, because drivers should absolutely not be responsible for driving slowly enough to actually be able to see an obstruction within the range of their own headlights in time to stop without smashing into it.

          • themeatbridge@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            18
            arrow-down
            5
            ·
            4 months ago

            Right, because that’s entirely the same thing.

            Vehicles on the road are there intentionally, operated by humans who are respon- You know what, man? You win. I really don’t care enough about this to keep arguing with you. I’ve explained this, and if you still don’t get it, that’s on you.

      • snooggums@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        4 months ago

        I honestly can’t tell if this is sarcasm since motorcycles and cars in the US have required daytime running lights for a couple decades.

          • NewWorldOverHere@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            8
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            4 months ago

            Daytime running lights are required on large sections of the highway in Alaska. It’s posted on signs on the road and you can get ticketed for it.

            “( c ) Every vehicle traveling on a highway or vehicular way or area must illuminate lights when traveling on any roadway that is posted with signs requiring the use of headlights.

            (d) For the purposes of ( c ) of this section, lights include low intensity headlights and daytime running lamp devices…”

            https://dot.alaska.gov/stwdplng/hwysafety/headlights.shtml

            • SlippyCliff76@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              3 months ago

              Daytime running lights are required on large sections of the highway in Alaska

              Wow, totally not being misleading here. /s The place we’re talking about is in the lower 48 smart guy.

              • NewWorldOverHere@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                3 months ago

                I was responding to a previous comment that said “Nowhere in the US.” Alaska is still the United States.

          • chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            4 months ago

            Car manufacturers are required to have daytime running lamps on all the cars they sell.

            • DrunkEngineer@lemmy.worldOP
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              edit-2
              4 months ago

              While many car manufacturers provide this feature, it is not required. See 49 CFR 571.108 (Table I-a—Required Lamps and Reflective Devices).