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Because one of the candidates that stands a chance of winning is anti-genocide, right? Otherwise this wouldn’t be agood-faith comparison, right?
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You make it sound like Harris has a monopoly on genocide. Trump has made it quite clear he will increase the amount of genocide compared to the Biden s administration.
Harris made it quite clear she will support the Genocide just as hard as Trump.
Was she part of the administration that repealed the restrictions on Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory, or the one that reinstated them? Did Netanyahu name a settlement after her in Golan Heights as a way of thanking her for repealing the restrictions?
Did she say that Israel needs to finish the job and stop recording proof of bombings, or did she say she supports a ceasefire so the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self determination?
Yeah. Just as hard.
No she’s part of the administration doing the literal Genocide on Palestinians.
I’m sure you care so much about Jerusalem though.
I’m sure you care so much about Jerusalem though.
Why would you assume that? I’m agnostic, not that I owe you any explanation.
Then why doesn’t youre “meme” say that?
The meme is using the pretend red line from Democrats in 2016/2020. Gosh darn racism they care so much about that. Can’t comprehend anyone voting for it.
Genocide? Nah that’s fine.
Just like all elections it’s unfortunate that your vote is as strong as mine.
So no comeback got it.
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Okay, then if there’s really only a choice between the two and they both support genocide just as much as the other, genocide doesn’t really have any impact on whether you should vote for one or the other and maybe vote for the one who isn’t racist, isn’t a fascist, isn’t an idiot, isn’t going to die of a heart attack in office, and doesn’t have a couchfucker as a VP.
Jill Stein supports a full arms embargo on israel. The race certainly isn’t between Genocide or Genocide.
You vote for Jill Stein and Trump or Kamala will still be president and nothing changes for Israel. But at least you will feel better.
Actually if Jill Stein gets 5% of the votes then Greens will get $10 million in funding for their 2028 campaign so it definitely changes things.
after this election where Trump or Harris will be president. Will very likely be too late to do anything for Palestine in 4 years, which will be no guarantee of a third party option either.
All the while Trump may be in office because 5% of the vote went to Stein instead of harris and now not only.palestine suffers but also women, black and Hispanic Americans, the lower to middle class, and the lgbtq+ community.
after this election where Trump or Harris will be president. Will very likely be too late to do anything for Palestine in 4 years, which will be no guarantee of a third party option either.
All the more reason to get everyone to vote for Green then since Harris and Trump will make certain of the destruction of Palestine.
Oh boy, another person thinking a lurch towards fascism will help get progressive policies get passed in congress. Or maybe they think fascists having control of the biggest intelligence services in the world will help the leftists thrive? Surely leftists will be just fine if the far right gets all the levers of power in government.
Its just the right wing hacks astroturfing as progressives pushing the “Dems love genocide” wedge into the progressive mindspace.
Genocide is the definition of peak Fascism
When you cancel the common factors you’re just left with the racist.
If Genociding brown people isn’t a dealbreaker for you I’ve got bad news.
If genociding brown people is a dealbreaker for you I’ve got bad news.
Yah, if perpetuating systemic racism, imperialism and oppression is a deal breaker on a candidate, there is and will not be an American presidential candidate that it is appropriate to vote for. None.
But as Lenin said, we must participate in bourgeois elections, though we can’t expect them to bring results, lest they be dominated entirely by the bourgeoisie.
It sucks, but we need a functioning democracy if we want to make progress.
Make sure your mask is secure before helping others.
I think the trajectory of things are generally positive, but glacially slow, especially considering all the harm that gets perpetuated while waiting for that slow progress.
I think that can be gut wretchingly frustrating for the newly radicalized. So I sympathize with the people who say it’s abhorrent and not enough. Because it is abhorrent. And it’s not enough. But we must be pragmatic in our actions. America simply doesn’t have the class consciousness necessary for sweeping overnight change, yet.
For Lenin, elections had two major functions. One was the opportunity to make propaganda for socialism: to put across arguments and ideas that could win adherents. This was a vision of elections and election campaigns as a platform. The other function was elections as a means of ‘counting our forces’, i.e. gauging levels of support for socialist ideas and assessing political progress. This could in turn influence what tactics to adopt in a range of areas of political work. Furthermore, if Bolsheviks were actually elected (which did happen) their role was to champion radical socialist ideas and demands. It was to use parliament, which was very limited in actual powers, as a megaphone; not to believe falsely that parliament would in fact bring about significant change. source
Jill Stein is a proper presidential candidate
She has absolutely zero chance of winning because of first past the post.
You know that, right?
She also supports ongoing US imperialism, oppression and genocide, just not in Palestine. You realize that, right?
Many claims no truth. Impressive.
Her policies say she will remove most US bases, not all. We still need some imperialism after all.
Her platform mentioned ending forced prison labor but not revoking the 13th.
She says she will support land back initiatives, but does that mean returning Manhattan? Absolutely not.
Stein’s policies are very progressive, but she still exists within America and it’s inherent imperialist and colonialist nature.
She also has zero chance of winning. Do you see a path to victory for Stein? Can you outline it?
Let’s imagine for a moment that there is no Jill Stein. Do you think there is a materialistic difference between a Harris and Trump presidency? Do you think one is preferable to the other?
Im so glad I saved this earlier so I can pos it under every “bOtH sIdEs” meme I see and ruin the illusion just a little bit…
https://forward.com/fast-forward/649830/david-friedman-book-donald-trump-israel-wes-bank-annexation/
Whaaaat Trump is also in bed with israel? NO WAY!
You should look up who posted the article that you linked.
To what end do you point this out? Do you think it is irrelevant who wins the election and that the outcome of both candidate’s administrations will be the same?
Jill Stein should win the election.
“Fuck NATO and Ukraine”?
Thats not a better option…
The pro-Trump crypto fascist bitch?
If I said what I think you should do, I’d be fucking banned.
You’re right.
That said, that isn’t a pragmatic goal. Jill Stein cannot win because of the USA’s backwards election systems. Furthermore, it’s imperative that Trump and the right do not win considering the effect it will have on social issues, civic rights and climate policy.
That said, Jill Stein would still be complicit with the imperialistic horrors of America, as I don’t think her policies include removing every US base on foreign soil, completely disbanding every single US police department and emptying every prison while revoking the 13th Amendment and replacing it with one that actually bars slavery, and returning all stolen land back to the Natives it was taken from, nor do I think she is capable of doing those things with the US in its current state.
By supporting Jill Stein, you are also saying that systemic racism and genocide are not dealbreakers. You are inadvertently cherry picking which genocides you can stomach.
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I’m sorry the goalpost has been moved so far I can’t even see it anymore.
The amount of mental gymnastics people are willing to do to justify supplying weapons to an ongoing Genocide is amazing.
That’s disingenuous and disappointing.
It’s not even accurate. I’m not justifying supplying weapons to Israel anywhere in any of my posts and I even make it clear that it’s an abhorrent position.
Your posts have devolved into spitting out debate buzz words de jure like some inarticulate anti-Zionist Ben Shapiro.
You’re doing your cause a disservice when you look this foolish.
Saying that Trump would be worse is literally justifying it.
Anyone supporting Trump or Harris does not care about the cause of Palestinians that’s for certain.
That point is absurd and stupid.
You are either so blinded by the fervor of your single cause that you have become incapable of thought outside of rhetoric or you are an unserious person.
Some people have moral red lines.
You only have ad-hominems.
Only one president in US history definitely destroyed the chances at a two state solution in our lifetime by giving Jerusalem completely and totally to one side, and it wasn’t Biden.
Ah yes the defining moment of Palestine, not the Gaza Genocide but the annexation of Jerusalem. Luckily Biden has stopped all israeli annexation of the West Bank and your argument isn’t a dishonest deflection.
In past negotiations Israel was willing to return almost all of the settled land, and swap additional land to make up for around 98% percent of the 1967 borders, grant return to many Palestinians to come to Israel, as well as financially support those returning to the West Bank and Gaza, and agreed to halve Jerusalem. The negotiations still failed because the two sides couldn’t agree on monuments in Jerusalem, like Al-Aqsa/The Temple Mount.
It’s not a deflection, it’s the single most important item of negotiation between the two sides, and Trump has done more long term damage by taking an official stance on that issue than any other president in US history has caused in the Israel/Palestine conflict.
Ouch! The truth stings
