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video was mirrored from youtube and hosted on tankietube! (@TankieTanuki@hexbear.net my bad for the 1 GB video upload 
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still a relevant topic (even if the video’s outdated), and the video’s also very informative.
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Looks very interesting but long so I’ll have to come back to it later tonight. I will say I hate the framing of the armed groups as “gangs” it’s just so racially coded. Groups of armed men fighting over control of the government are more appropriately referred to as factions in my view.
I am also sure the CIA is balls deep in this, would love to know where those weapons are coming from. There’s a lot more to the story than what we are being told and I am sure this video is a good resource on it, hence your posting it. Looking forward to it and will comment again after viewing.
I will say I hate the framing of the armed groups as “gangs” it’s just so racially coded.
oh i didn’t catch that. yeah that’s racially coded, i wouldn’t call neighborhood defence groups for example “gangs”
i’ll be waiting for your comment then
Ah fuck yes excited to watch this, me and my haitian friend always are going over what news we can get out of the situation. The underlying nature of the class forces at play are incredibly dense and difficult to parse, and most of the narratives about whats happening are incredibly simplistic and/or naive.
The underlying nature of the class forces at play are incredibly dense and difficult to parse
oh, for sure
most of the narratives about whats happening are incredibly simplistic and/or naive.
definitely. they don’t breakdown the complexities of armed groups in haiti or don’t mention the immense colonialism and oppression exerted by the West, NGOs and charities.
a lot of videos on haiti like to blame the haitians too which was why i was skeptical going into the video, but the video has a (mostly) good and consistent narrative at least.
Alright finally got around to watching it
Wow, what a story. Could definitely support a blowback season. It would be fascinating to get the backstory on some of these characters. There are definite “smells” of CIA here, particularly the drug running and arms trafficking networks based out of Florida.
I had no idea the US had invaded Haiti. For 20 years no less!
It seems it was really the earthquake that broke Haiti’s back, just textbook disaster capitalism. Like, I hated the Clintons before but fuck I hate them even more now, somehow.
Still not sure how to feel about the armed groups. Extortion is just taxes by another name. Where are the Marxists I wonder?
It does seem that a BRICs aligned peacekeeping force would be the best thing for Haiti based on this video. Some stability and belt and road investments.
glad you enjoyed it!
There are definite “smells” of CIA here, particularly the drug running and arms trafficking networks based out of Florida.
oh, for sure. can guarantee that one.
I had no idea the US had invaded Haiti. For 20 years no less!
ikr? and Haiti didn’t do nothing to oppose the US’ sanctions or their looting of Haiti but still got invaded anyways.
It seems it was really the earthquake that broke Haiti’s back, just textbook disaster capitalism. Like, I hated the Clintons before but fuck I hate them even more now, somehow.
the leader of the recovery commission of Haiti being clinton - and not even a Haitian - really pissed me off too
Where are the Marxists I wonder?
not sure, and i plan to find out next. only marxist views i’ve seen are non-Haitians who equally blame all sides - government, imperialists and “gangs” - without considering why those armed groups exist for example.
i’d imagine class solidarity is quite high in Haiti, especially with cooperative, neighborhood groups provided the most mutual aid there.
my guess is as marxists, we should support these groups directly (funding, volunteering) especially with weapons to outweigh the criminal gangs and pressure them to rehabilitate into their local communities, hopefully preventing conflict.
then shift focus to socialist and marxist groups, kind of like the Cuban revolution. then as one entity, they could hopefully overthrow the state with support from the global south. but again i really don’t know for sure.
It does seem that a BRICs aligned peacekeeping force would be the best thing for Haiti based on this video. Some stability and belt and road investments.
yeah, sounds like a good bet.
Seems like the real opportunity as always is in the countryside. Port-au-Prince is mess but at least from this doc it doesn’t look like the influence of the armed groups extends far beyond that. Who knows for sure though.
