• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    5 hours ago

    No, the blame lies squarely on the DNC for deliberately ignoring the loud and clear message from third party voters that genocide is a red line in the sand. The blame further lies with the liberals supporting a decaying Empire and never lifting a finger to help anyone, just showing up at the ballot box every 4 years while the US commits manmade horrors beyond comprehension.

    Join an org, like the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) or Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO), this mess can’t be undone by supporting the Dems harder.

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      Unfortunately, it’s not a “red line in the sand,” no matter how much you keep repeating it. While a majority of people in the US disapprove of Israel’s actions, a tiny fraction of voters (less than 2%) consider it their primary voting issue, an even smaller fraction of that number would consider withholding their vote or voting third party over it.

      While you may not like it, it’s not the major concern for American voters. If you’d like to withhold your vote or vote third party about it, be my guest. The only likely scenario that would result from that would helping Trump get elected. If you’re honestly concerned about Palestinians, you’d be wise enough to not enable an even worse situation for them. There’s a reason Israel’s leadership wants Trump to win and encourages the left to revolt about Palestine.

      You’re getting played by Israel, who is using your short-sighted feels to enable them to enact long-term reals, which in their case might very well be the full extermination and displacement of all of Palestine. To truly bring that into being, they, at they very least, need Trump to win. Fundamentally you are siding with Israel over Palestinians, and the immediate sense of moral superiority you feel about it is precisely how you’re being manipulated.

      Read your history. Using the left’s lack of political pragmatism to aid in hard-right political takeover isn’t new. Your Bush-ist “you’re either with us or against us” simplification of the world and political calculus makes you an easy mark. You are, quite literally, a tool of Israel at this point.

      And the best part, from Israel’s point of view, is you get to feel good about it. Win-win (for Israel). You’re trying to march Palestine right into the grave while telling them you’re helping them the whole way.

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        It’s a red line in the sand if voters make it so.

        Secondly, the idea that Israel is depending on the Repblicans winning is hilarious. Biden has given them everything they want, including approving the Lebanon invasion. The genocide is bipartisan.

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          I think you’re going to by sadly surprised about how bad things can get. The limits of your long-term imagination and the narrowed view upon which you prevail are a little surprising. But, then again, you’re literally helping the Israeli state, so maybe I shouldn’t be surprised.

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            You’re signing off on everything the US Empire and Israel wants, what’s surprising is that you can’t see that.

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                  You’ve reached the “I know you are but what am I” level of childishness. That speaks volumes.

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                    You failed to make any coherent point, and everything you said could be reflected back because of it. I already explained that the Dems are giving Israel everything they want, you just played ignorant like Trump has fascist magic on his side to really help the IDF out.

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      you’re a fool or a Russian propagandist.

      this election will make waves of change across the world.

      to anyone taking this fool seriously I’ll ask you this, where was your conscience when the Uighur people were enslaved.

      where was your conscience when Iran was killing woman for standing up for their rights?

      where was your conscience when Russia was killing gay men just for being gay?

      where was your conscience when North Korea was starving and killing its people?

      why didn’t America intervene then? why didn’t you vote your conscience then?

      by listening to propaganda like above, you’re not voting your conscience, you’re voting for whatever the propagandists tell you to vote for.

      vote to save democracy because we’ve only got the one, and there won’t be a second chance.

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      Yeah dude, it would totally make sense to listen to all 3% of those third party voters over the 97% of people who aren’t stupid enough to throw their vote away in such a dumb fashion. That’s how you win elections!

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              doubtful. I used to be one.

              hate what you know.

              unfortunately Marxist have too great of a fear of what they don’t know and are unable to evolve past their comfort zone.

              look at what your Marxist movements have become today and tell me it’s EXACTLY what Karl Marx had in mind.

              besides, you think you can take down a system without participating in it? win the people, break the system. Marxist can’t win the people because it has a tumor the size of Russia attached to it that’s been spewing hate and dissent against the system for decades. nobody will trust it for another couple decades.

              so yeah, I hate Marxist propaganda today.

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                You were never a Marxist if you think along those lines, lmao. Explain Dialectical and Historical Matetialism, the basics of Marxism.