cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125
Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT
Making this election about this one issue is exactly what Trump (and his ilk and foreign supporters) wants. People are falling for it again just like they did in 2016.
If you want everything to burn, and the US to cease being a country, then by all means, vote for Trump and fuck over the rest of us who are actually reasonable people who would want reasonable solutions to a wide variety of issues.
But if you want US imperialism and it’s unfettered support and participation in several genocides and conflicts around the globe, syphoning trillions into the military industrial complex while ignoring domestic needs yet constantly playing the “Dont vote for the bogeyman. Vote for us instead because at least we’re not the bogeyman!” and wheeling out the “but trust us bro, we’ll seriously look into doing something about all your concerns next election cycle” bullshit, then yes, give your support to Harris without question.
Or, you know, you could put her over the fucking coals BEFORE the election and let her know that unless she course corrects immediately, not in 30 days after the election, she ain’t gonna get your vote and if trump gets in then that’s all on the democrats and no-one else
If you want everything to burn, and the US to cease being a country, vote for Trump
That’s literally the dead opposite of what would happen. Trump will make the US into an authoritarian, dictatorial police state, not dissolve it.
Do you ever do anything other than post anto-Kamala articles?
I invite others to browse this person’s post history and tag them
All I’m seeing is pro-Palestine content. Or do you define that as anti-Kamala on account of Harris being pro-Israel?
Frankly, if you do, I’d consider this comment very disingenuous. “anti-Kamala” and “pro-Palestine” sound very different to people.
If there isn’t a zero genocide option on the ballot, the U.S. democracy is not worth preserving. That’s my stance and I’m not moving. Kamala can meet this voter over on the non-genocide side.
What I find incredulous is that there has been so much hand-wringing here about how Lemmy.ml are a bunch of despotic regime apologist tankies, yet a lot of people here are bleating like a bunch of fucking sheep “If you dont vote Democrat then the largest imperialist industrialised killing machine in human history will fall, or at least become slightly worse under the orange man!”
You know, its about fucking time the US empire collapsed.
“But millions will suffer if it does” those imperialist apologists will bleat. Billions are suffering currently because of it.
Anyone who thinks voting for Trump is the better option for Arabs or Muslims is a fool.
That said, Harris has had every opportunity to signal a break from Biden in her policy towards Israel, and she’s turned it down.
Arab and Muslim Americans are truly finding out just how second-class they are.
Don’t want to vote for a candidate who keeps publicly stating that the country actively socializing plans to starve people will continue to receive their support? Get ready to be told you’re a horrible person who’s wasting your vote, and how you don’t care about other minorities (who apparently don’t have a responsibility to vote for your interests, like you do their’s).
You don’t think letting the Muslim-ban candidate win is a winning strategy for those concerned about Gaza? (/s)
Vote third party!
Fuck the two party regime whores!
A protest vote does nothing. The system sucks, but with an election this close, a protest vote is a half vote for fascism. Project 2025 makes it very clear that a Republican victory might very well be the end of democracy in the US. Literally—not speaking hyperbolically.
As a non-American, it’s very disturbing to see how few Americans seem to take the rise of fascism in their country seriously. There are so many parallels to the Third Reich it’s deeply unsettling.
It’s also becoming abundantly clear that Russian/Chinese/Iranian interference in elections is pushing for fascism, and their anti-democratic rhetoric, memes, and talking points are being shared widely.
Voting for a third party, with what the Republican Party is saying they’ll do if elected, is voting for fascism being an acceptable outcome.
The fact the polls are in a dead heat is disturbing.
The system sucks, but with an election this close, a protest vote is a half vote for fascism.
“Vote the neolib genocide enabling candidate not the neolib genocide enabling candidate that I dont like!”
These are the same people who (would have) voted for Hitler because they were mad at the The Weimar Republic (liberal democratic republic) for one reason or another to send a “message” and then after either loosing everything or were killed during WWII (many by the party they voted for) afterwards said “How could of this happened” Hold your nose and vote for Kamala or don’t complain when Trump is your Lord and Master.
Protest vote tells the two party regime I am protesting… that’s the entire point of the 3p vote.
Not voting does nothing since it still provide two party regime legitimacy.
Harris has been given so many warnings that her Gaza policy could cost her the election, and she’s been given so many chances to give a little ground on this issue. But at every turn, she keeps shouting her dissenters down, rather than finding ways to invite them into her coalition. Maybe their internal polling is real strong, and she feels confident that she can win without these dissenters. But at this point, if the Dems lose this election, they will have no one to blame but themselves. I hope fascism was worth enabling this genocide.
Maybe their internal polling is real strong, and she feels confident that she can win without these dissenters.
It would appear that shes shifted right and is bringing onboard Trump disillusioned Republicans. Liberals will always align with the far right rather than work with the left.
Harris has been given so many warnings that her Gaza policy could cost her the election, and she’s been given so many chances to give a little ground on this issue. But at every turn, she keeps shouting her dissenters down, rather than finding ways to invite them into her coalition.
You watch, once she loses, the vitriol that will be unleashed towards the left for not blindly and unwaveringly supporting her and her pro-corporate genocidal policies will be immeasurable. They will rather try beat the left into obedient submission or purge them from the party completely and alienate them within the electorate for the next election than do some self analysis and admit they were wrong.
