• echo@lemmings.world
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    8 hours ago

    You can deny reality all you want, but Harris or Trump is going to be the next POTUS. Which one do you want it to be?

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      8 hours ago

      I want it to be whichever results from us attempting to preserve democracy.

      Our nation has taken far, far bigger risks than 4 years of Trump to preserve democracy.

      Determining something to be an acceptable risk is not the same as wanting it. Casualties are an acceptable risk of a just war. No one says people want soldiers to die.

      I’m prepared to risk a Trump presidency to preserve some semblance of democracy and make it clear that genocide is never an acceptable option. That doesn’t mean I want a Trump presidency any more than being prepared to risk soldier’s lives during war means you want soldiers to die.

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        I’m prepared to risk a Trump presidency

        This is beyond the pale. You must have checked off on all of your entitlements before you came to this realization. Because what you’re doing by “risking” a Trump presidency is potentially going to hurt a lot of people. Get over yourself and pay attention to what’s going here.

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          what you’re doing by “risking” a Trump presidency is potentially going to hurt a lot of people

          This is beyond the pale. You must have checked off on all of your entitlements before you came to this realization. Because what you’re doing by “risking” genocide being normalised is potentially going to hurt a lot of people. Get over yourself and pay attention to what’s going here.

          See how pointless conversation becomes if you just assume your interlocutor is mistaken without a case.

          We might as well be in a school-yard yelling “no you are…”

          If you think a Trump presidency risks more harm than normalising genocide and undermining democracy, then make the fucking case. This is a discussion forum. Discuss. What is your evidence, how have you weighed it, what critique can you offer of the case I’ve made… Give us something beyond childish bleating.

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        8 hours ago

        I’m prepared to risk a Trump presidency

        You’re not taking a risk. You are promoting a Trump presidency. If you can’t or won’t accept reality then there is no need to continue this conversation.