Hexbear’s new head of operations just dropped, and their way of dealing with the fallout of their last struggle session is to hand bans out like candy to their concerned and disillusioned users while throwing out “epic” quips like insecure teenagers along the way coupled with their communication (and seemingly contempt) towards their own userbase which isn’t helping their allegations at all and the revelations that were learned about Hexbear’s moderators and admins from their most recent struggle session.

The last few days have honestly shaken my faith in Hexbear and their team and I hope the mods and admins at Lemmygrad are monitoring the situation closely.

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    I would genuinely delete your account. Your smugness is so embarrassing. How did you miss the point this obviously? To reiterate what they said, people are not “expected” to publicly affirm anything. They aren’t told to do anything. There is no requirement to post that you “love your trans comrades” like in your Orwell slop. But all this really is no clearer than:

    No one forced anyone to ever post in those threads! Why would you feel imposed upon??

    What they are saying is not that not posting about “loving your trans comrades” is some indication of treachery, because that isn’t a statement in itself, but that people voluntarily enter these posts and go off against trans people and this weeds them out.

    THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION, IN FACT THE SECOND POINT YOU QUOTED FOLLOWS FROM THE FIRST!!!

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      I would genuinely delete your account.

      Luckily you don’t have that power. phew

      Your smugness is so embarrassing.

      Please don’t feel embarrassed.

      There is no requirement to post that you “love your trans comrades” like in your Orwell slop.

      keyword: daily. I already compared it to another social situation where something is also not mandatory, but it is expected.

      that people voluntarily enter these posts and go off against trans people and this weeds them out.

      So the thread was a ruse, feigning a daily ritual to provoke those who don’t belong in revealing themselves, all the while the ritual’s true purpose was obvious for those in the know. Totally not a cult. You’re so knee-deep into it though that you don’t see it, I’m trying to give you an outsider’s perspective. Forums that aren’t run on the logic of a cult just remove transphobic posts and warn/ban the person who made them.

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        It’s true I didn’t say “I love my trans comrades” today and got banned 20000000000,0000,00,00 trillion times! 😱😱😱😭😭😭😭

        spoiler

        I am joking and it’s hilarious that I even have to clarify that

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            I’m one of the people telling you you’re wrong. I’m also one of the people TC69 just banned, and I taunted her publicly after she deleted her account. I have a 3 year grudge against her for fucking over the hexbear vegans.

            You’re still wrong about this.

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              Wait tc69 fucked over the hexbear vegans?

              Now it all makes sense

              I know who tc69 is now

              I know whose accounts the wrecker accounts are

              Its all that one user who got banned for being rabidly anti-vegan

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                If you’re thinking of Catradora_Stalinism HelltakerHomosexual, I really don’t think they’re TC69, but they are the mod some users are accusing of being the wrecker (an admin said they know for a fact this isn’t true).“Fucking over vegans” was banning all discussions of veganism outside of their comms and removing all the VCJ mods. Frankly a lot of the userbase probably agreed with these decisions but I strongly oppose them.

                Edit: more accurately, HelltakerHomosexual is being accused of being the wrecker and also of being banned user Catradora_Stalinism. An admin stated that they confirmed Helltaker is not the wrecker. I don’t have a strong opinion on whether either of these are true.

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                  Its the only thing that makes sense to me though

                  With this assumption there would have to be only one culprit

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                    TC69 isn’t particularly anti-vegan, she just decided to take action against us instead of addressing the sitewide issues. Again I really don’t she’s the same person.

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            Lmao come on, you can’t be serious.

            Our recent struggle session has nothing to do with the bizarre 1984 narrative about trans people that you’re trying to push.

            No one is forced to say shit. We just usually ban transphobes who are actively shitty towards people who are pro-trans.

            It’s starting to look like that’s why you hate us?

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              I always feel bad when I was agreeing with someone initially and then they just kind of dig themselves deeper and deeper and start saying less and less coherent stuff and it makes me realise they were probably masking some really uncool shit and I fell for it. :(

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                We were just talking about this with the mods, it’s incredible how hard it is for people to just say I am sorry and do a tiny bit of self crit. I had just done so as I had just got off work and wasn’t taking it seriously enough how bad shit had gone off the rails in the previous 8 or so hours.

                I was just like “oh shit sorry my bad that sucks I need to investigate this” and then we were cool. And I get it, untangling niche communist shitposting site drama is for the most part an annoying waste of time (if you are not a moderator of said community and thus literally obligated to do), but like you can just ignore it. If you want to engage with a subject you must investigate it fully. As a comrade instructed me in that same instance I referred to apologizing for, NO INVESTIGATION NO RIGHT TO SPEAK.

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              No one is forced to say shit.

              Never said they were.

              It’s starting to look like that’s why you hate us?

              I never said I hate you, what a silly inference.

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                keyword: daily. I already compared it to another social situation where something is also not mandatory, but it is expected.

                It is not expected. You claim it is. Stop being an overly semantic debate bro get your transphobic ass back to Reddit.

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                  It is not expected.

                  and then

                  your transphobic ass

                  “If you don’t perform in my x ritual you’re anti-x.” I guess you gave up on claiming I’m wrong and just embraced it?

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                    Lmao. You keep digging that hole. I’m calling you a transphobe because you have a problem with us banning people who attack pro trans statements.

                    My friend in Christ, you are doing the equivalent of going to somewhere that is gay friendly and loudly shouting “I can’t believe you’re forced to kiss dudes here!” At the first sign of dudes kissing.

                    You’re not expected to kiss dudes, you won’t be banned for not kissing dudes, but if you loudly voice disgust every time dudes kiss, I’m kicking you out of the bar. That is not Orwellian or unfair, it is basic anti-harrassment policy.

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        Please don’t feel embarrassed.

        Below pedantry.

        keyword: daily. I already compared it to another social situation where something is also not mandatory, but it is expected.

        It’s not expected. There is no expectation that you must post daily, or ever, that you “love your trans comrades.” You compared it to another social situation, I asked for evidence posting in these threads is taken into account somehow like with that example and you said I was in a cult.

        You’re quoting Gribbli for the daily point, but they didn’t literally mean daily. This doesn’t happen daily on like a schedule where you’re expected to post this, or even where anybody posts this. It happens often but if that’s your keyword, your argument is washed. You can access all posts on Hexbear, so tell me where this is posted daily.

        So the thread was a ruse, feigning a daily ritual to provoke those who don’t belong in revealing themselves, all the while the ritual’s true purpose was obvious for those in the know.

        It’s not a daily ritual. You know nothing about Hexbear and yet you feel like you can critique the site culture. You’re actually embarrassing yourself. No, the point of people posting that they “love their trans comrades” is both to show support and to make the site’s position clear and turn away/root out any anti-trans users. These aren’t mutually exclusive.

        I’m trying to give you an outsider’s perspective

        You’re an outsider times two. You’re going off the word of another outsider and extrapolating that to spin up this idea that users saying they love their trans comrades is some daily ritual that users will be rewarded for or punished for not completing. You have no clue what you’re talking about.

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          Now I feel kinda bad for airing old hexbear semi-drama. Really didn’t mean for anyone to try to make a point with it, just wanted to state my own experience :\

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          they didn’t literally mean daily.

          Well, I wouldn’t know.

          You know nothing about Hexbear and yet you feel like you can critique the site culture.

          This is true.

          It’s not a daily ritual.

          Not a daily ritual then, but a ritual nonetheless.

          to show support and to make the site’s position clear and turn away/root out any anti-trans users. These aren’t mutually exclusive.

          Yes, it can be all those things and still be a ritual

          Rituals are meaningful actions marked by rigidity, formality, and repetition.

          “to show support”

          Group rituals promote cognitive, affective, and behavioral group commitment.

          “to make the site’s position clear”

          Group rituals not only signal commitment (external) but enhance it internally.

          “turn away/root out any anti-trans users”

          Rituals are a normal part of human life, we have all sorts of rituals. That said, rituals on websites are weird.

          that users will be rewarded for or punished for not completing

          I never said that. But I will bet you that people who are regulars in those sorts of threads look more favourably on each other. Why are we pretending like I invented the concept of feeling belonging to a group? What I am saying is not controversial. You claim I got it wrong, but then confirm my assumptions, and then you get angry about it.

          I am sorry if the word “cult” rubbed you the wrong way, it was hyperbole, I didn’t mean to insult anyone. Much like “daily thread” doesn’t mean literally daily. I don’t mean that you are literally in a cult. Hexbear seems to engage in rituals that strengthen group belonging, I am not making a value judgment wrong or right, I think it’s weird and I don’t like it.

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            You know nothing about Hexbear and yet you feel like you can critique the site culture.

            This is true.

            No investigation, no right to speak.

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            Alright, you wouldn’t know anything about this. Then there’s nothing else to say.

            I didn’t confirm your assumptions, I already responded to this. Call it a ritual if you like, I don’t care. Genuinely just semantics. The argument comes in when you say that it’s weird and you “don’t like it” (welcome back Kamala!!).

            I never said that. But I will bet you that people who are regulars in those sorts of threads look more favourably on each other.

            So? You could say that for any thread. People interact with each other and share viewpoints and form connections. How sinister!! This is not the same as what you said before. You now this.