• state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de
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    21 hours ago

    Well, that’s your opinion. For others it works fine. I’ve been using Linux since 1995 and exclusively for both home and work for well over a decade now. And there are rarely issues these days. Teams is a piece of shit, but my coworkers on Windows agree on that. Apart from that everything works for me.

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      13 hours ago

      Well, yeah, I think “Teams is a piece of shit” is a very uncontroversial statement.

      I think “there are rarely issues” is demonstrably wrong, though. At least if we agree on the definition of “issues”. Every Linux support forum I’ve visited looking to fix my HDR monitor support seems to agree that HDR support in Linux is tentative at best, which I’d call an “issue”, or that setting up a Nvidia card in distros that don’t come preinstalled with the proprietary drivers can be a mess, which I’d call an “issue”.

      Linux desktop is certainly functional, but having learned to work around the limitations, to live without certain features or to purchase the better supported hardware alternative is different to there being no issues for a user migrating whatever PC they have over and expecting everything to work first time.

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        12 hours ago

        LOL. Never tried HDR on Linux but I find it very funny that it sucks on Linux because it sucks on Windows too. What the hell doesn’t it suck on? I need to try it my wife’s Macbook.

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          11 hours ago

          Nah, man, they finally fixed it at some point on Windows 11. PCs for the longest time struggled with it, but these days out of four dedicated PC monitors being used by different people in my house right now three are HDR-compatible and working just fine on Windows out of the box, as are multiple portable devices (including, incidentally, the Steam Deck OLED). Plus all TVs in the house, obviously.

          HDR was standardized for TVs and started getting content almost a decade ago, it’s been a gaming and video default on consoles for two hardware generations and is increasingly a default feature on even cheap PC monitors. I agree that Windows took waaaay too long to get there, which was incredibly frustrating, considering MS were supporting it just fine on Xbox, but it works well now and I miss it immediately when shifting to Linux on the same setup.

          VRR, too, but the situation there is a bit different.

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            11 hours ago

            I run W11 daily and it isn’t fixed. Sure, HDR content works but my screen needs to flicker for a bit before it gets enabled and sometimes it doesn’t. Don’t even get me started on games that require you to have it on in the system before you can turn it on in the game. Sure, I could just leave it on all the time but then SDR content looks washed out. I’m not saying it doesn’t work, just that it’s kinda annoying. As you mentioned, I can just turn on my TV, play an HDR video and it works, then switch to a SDR content and it also works. When am I getting that experience on PC?

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              11 hours ago

              Hm. SDR content on HDR containers have been working well for me on both DP1.4 and HDMI 2.1-enabled GPUs, no washed out content, which I did use to have. It did not work over HDMI on an Intel A770 I tested where their weird DP-to-HDMI adaptor didn’t support HDR at all (I hear it’s working on the Battlemage cards, thankfully), but it does work over DP, and it also works well out of the box on my monitors using the integrated HDMI out on a 7 series Ryzen APU, so I’m guessing it’s doing fine on newer AMD cards, too.

              I do believe you that it’s borked for you, and if you’re on a last-gen card with HDMI 2.0 I have seen it do the old “washed out SDR” garbage even under Win11, so I absolutely concede that it’s still crappier than the way more reliable solutions for TV-focused hardware. Still, it works way more reliably than it used to on Windows and it’s way more finicky and harder to set up on Linux than it is on Windows these days (or outright unsupported, depending on your flavor of DE).

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                11 hours ago

                I actually upgraded to Windows 11 specifically because I was told they fixed HDR. I do have an RX7600 so it’s technically “last gen” but I’m running DP (I have no idea which version but it has to be at least 1.4 because it runs 1080p at 180Hz). Washed out SDR content isn’t that bad, I actually didn’t even notice until I dragged a window playing SDR content to my second monitor that doesn’t have HDR and the blacks looked, well, blacker. I don’t doubt that it’s worse on Linux, I wasn’t trying to defend it. Just wanted to point out that it seems like no OS that isn’t designed to run only on TVs gives a crap about the HDR experience.

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                  11 hours ago

                  Man, I hated it. The only reason I give Windows (and GPU manufacturers, I suppose) credit for improving it this gen is that I was trying to output PC games to a HDR TV fairly early on and I ended up having to choose between the crappy SDR output or playing worse looking games on console with HDR enabled and it was a dealbreaker. It is a godsend to be able to leave HDR on all the time on my monitors and just… not have to think about it.

                  SDR for me now either looks fine as-is or is picked up by AutoHDR and remapped. It now works as I would expect, and at high framerates and resolutions, too, as it seemed to automatically pick out the right type of DSC to fit my setup.

                  I’ll be honest, when I got a high refresh rate monitor I was completely sure I wasn’t going to be able to get it all working at once, based on previous experience, but it just did. It sucks to learn that experience isn’t universal. Especially since the RX7600 should have all the hardware it needs to do this. That integrated AMD GPU I mentioned did it all just fine out of the box for me as well and is of that same generation, the 7600 should work the same way.

                  The temptation is to try to troubleshoot it with you and suggest it’s a setup issue, but my entire point here is that it should work out of the box every time, or at least tell you what to push to change it if it’s supported, I don’t care what OS we’re talking about.

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        13 hours ago

        I am only saying that I rarely have an issue. Even HiDPI and scaling works just fine for me. The only annoying issue I am having is that the Ctrl keys are not working in a VMWare remote desktop session when using barrier with another machine being the server.

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          12 hours ago

          HiDPI and per-screen scaling work well on my Wayland KDE Plasma install, too. The addition of the word “even” there is telling, though, and if I had chosen to stick to a different combo of distro, DE and compositor I would be annoyed by that on the daily. And that would be an issue.

          That’s what I’m trying to impress here. You can tinker until you find a setup that works for you, I’m not questioning that. But “I’ve solved all the issues over the past decade of tweaking this setup” is not the same as “there are no issues”, and it’s important to acknowledge the difference if you’re going to be out there recommending that every normie user shifts to Linux.