lol and I say this as someone who grew up in Soviet occupied eastern europe. Trust me, there are very few systems worse than communism, well at least, that version of it.
Medicine development is almost completely done in Universities with tax money, pharma company budgets are almost completely marketing. So yes, we already do that
It always seems to skirt people by that basically none of the early development is done out of the lust for knowledge and progress by private companies. They see promising work/studies and make it into mass market products that can proceed through clinical trials.
Heard someone say that their grandparents who left the USSR during the collapse in the early 90’s told them something along the lines of “not everything the Soviet government promised us about communism was true, but everything they told us about capitalism is true.”
I don’t think any of the nations who call themselves “communists” can actually be considered communist. Hell, most of them are pretty much dictatorships, which is the farthest you can get from communism.
If were gonna start arguing semantics though, then what is pure capitalism? As even the US has limits on what capitalist shenanigans they draw the lines on. Ie policies like antitrust laws, which are explicitly to prevent monopolies, because while capitalism strive for monopolies, monopolies also usually kill the market so…
The answer is obviously socialism when defined as the government owning or regulating the means of production, meaning just regulation is enough no need to own them.
Communism doesn’t work yet because we can’t seem to plan resources use for large economies as efficiently as organic markets do it.
But unregulated markets just destroy themselves, end up overexpensive enshittified adfests trying to push subpar products to you that won’t last you even the walk home.
Capitalism is like the cancerous form of market economies.
And communism has historically been about as healthy as the vegan diet of a nutritionally uninformed anemic teenager. Its not bad as an idea, but market economies just work better when they’re properly regulated.
I’d definitely argue with you that countries like China aren’t actually communist.
Anti-intellectual cultire fixated on higher education? I’m not saying that we don’t have collective mental disorders. Maybe during Stalin(see Doctors’ Case, cybernetics and genetics), but generally no.
The whole sctick of the Bolsheviks was to equalize everyone. Anyone that specialized in anything was demonized. Was the country started starving, that’s when higher education and allowing citizens to specialize again started to become the focus.
Okay, move to Cuba or North Korea where they still try to pursue communism and where they still have not realized how broken system it is. You will surely enjoy life there :D
So far every “attempt” at communism has resulted in some form of dictator, so it’s not surprising that the idea of communism leaves a sour taste for a lot of people.
It really doesn’t help that there are communities that look at the Russian outcome of communism and claim that was a good result.
Well, obviously every attempt at communism results in a dictatorship. To achieve communism, you firstly need a dictatorship but since it’s impossible to achieve communism, you will end up with socialist dictatorship. That’s why it sucks.
Has anything ever been ok in any of these countries? Russia has always been a totalitarian shit hole, same with China. Communism is just a part of their shitty history of oppression and dictators.
Having an engineering degree and still wanting to move to a country which does not respect basic human rights and which tries to pursue communism is a very interesting combination indeed.
Say what you can about communism, but you clearly see that capitalism is so much worse.
lol and I say this as someone who grew up in Soviet occupied eastern europe. Trust me, there are very few systems worse than communism, well at least, that version of it.
Free medicine is nice, though. Not very high quality sometimes, but still better, than bankruptcy after ambulance ride.
Free high school education is a good option too.
Will you develop medicine for free? Will you do 8+ hour long surgeries for free? Will you teach children at school for free?
Nothing is free, buddy. If sth appears to be free, it’s only because someone sponsors it.
Medicine development is almost completely done in Universities with tax money, pharma company budgets are almost completely marketing. So yes, we already do that
Yes, it’s done with tax money, so it’s not free.
It always seems to skirt people by that basically none of the early development is done out of the lust for knowledge and progress by private companies. They see promising work/studies and make it into mass market products that can proceed through clinical trials.
Yeah if I can’t get a yacht out of the deal why would I even bother trying to cure cancer? It makes no logical sense.
Judges don’t have conflicts of interest in communism?
They don’t have additional benefits of owning insurance company everyone else doesn’t. And neither there would be insurance companies anyway.
Former healthcare exec != Owner
But let’s imagine it did, and there are no owners. Lower stakes don’t correspond to lower conflicts.
… You say every citizen has conflict of interests with… with… with who exactly?
Same as it is in this case just stupider stakes.
Communism lifted an illiterate nation of serfs into an industrial and atomic super power in, like, 50 years.
Which is to say just as bad as capitalism but approximately four times faster.
It’s easy to be faster when you’re catching up to already existing tech, I doubt their economic system mattered much in that regard
Heard someone say that their grandparents who left the USSR during the collapse in the early 90’s told them something along the lines of “not everything the Soviet government promised us about communism was true, but everything they told us about capitalism is true.”
But was it communism? Or was it labour camps and dictatorship?
They’re the same picture.
I don’t think any of the nations who call themselves “communists” can actually be considered communist. Hell, most of them are pretty much dictatorships, which is the farthest you can get from communism.
If were gonna start arguing semantics though, then what is pure capitalism? As even the US has limits on what capitalist shenanigans they draw the lines on. Ie policies like antitrust laws, which are explicitly to prevent monopolies, because while capitalism strive for monopolies, monopolies also usually kill the market so…
The answer is obviously socialism when defined as the government owning or regulating the means of production, meaning just regulation is enough no need to own them.
Communism doesn’t work yet because we can’t seem to plan resources use for large economies as efficiently as organic markets do it.
But unregulated markets just destroy themselves, end up overexpensive enshittified adfests trying to push subpar products to you that won’t last you even the walk home.
Capitalism is like the cancerous form of market economies.
And communism has historically been about as healthy as the vegan diet of a nutritionally uninformed anemic teenager. Its not bad as an idea, but market economies just work better when they’re properly regulated.
I’d definitely argue with you that countries like China aren’t actually communist.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/capitalism-with-chinese-characteristics/CECD36DB2C3623DEE4670F7897BAA3CB
Yes, USSR became a superpower where most areas were without toilets…
They’re still without toilets under capitalism.
It was also responsible for the highly anti-intellectual culture that existed and still continues in said country today. So it swings both ways.
Anti-intellectual cultire fixated on higher education? I’m not saying that we don’t have collective mental disorders. Maybe during Stalin(see Doctors’ Case, cybernetics and genetics), but generally no.
The whole sctick of the Bolsheviks was to equalize everyone. Anyone that specialized in anything was demonized. Was the country started starving, that’s when higher education and allowing citizens to specialize again started to become the focus.
Okay, move to Cuba or North Korea where they still try to pursue communism and where they still have not realized how broken system it is. You will surely enjoy life there :D
You think North Korea’s godking is the accurate administration of communism…?
So far every “attempt” at communism has resulted in some form of dictator, so it’s not surprising that the idea of communism leaves a sour taste for a lot of people.
It really doesn’t help that there are communities that look at the Russian outcome of communism and claim that was a good result.
Well, obviously every attempt at communism results in a dictatorship. To achieve communism, you firstly need a dictatorship but since it’s impossible to achieve communism, you will end up with socialist dictatorship. That’s why it sucks.
Has anything ever been ok in any of these countries? Russia has always been a totalitarian shit hole, same with China. Communism is just a part of their shitty history of oppression and dictators.
Not really, Russia went from an empire with kings /queens into a revolution into a “communjst” dictatorship.
China was similar but I think had a step in the middle, hence the split with Taiwan.
A monarchy is a dictatorship. It’s literally someone with absolute authority dictating how what happens in a country.
Cuba seems like a decent place to live tbh, especially given the circumstances that we’ve imposed on them.
They have some of the best healthcare and doctors in the world.
If you promise to stay there, I will buy you a one way ticket. Thanks
No need my man (or lady, or enby), the coming brain drain will not cost you anything. Well not money at least.
I’ve got no problem taking my engineering degree somewhere that doesn’t worship at the altar of unfettered capitalism.
Having an engineering degree and still wanting to move to a country which does not respect basic human rights and which tries to pursue communism is a very interesting combination indeed.
I’m chock full of surprises
Cuba is very much a surveillance state, otherwise I believe the main drawbacks are due to oppressive sanctions.
What isn’t a surveillance state these days? Very few I imagine.
True, although I would be surprised if for example Britain or the USA has as many political prisoners.