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I think you guys with lemmy.world accounts should consider joining a smaller instance. They have blocked some piracy communities over some pretty bs reasoning. Who knows what they’ll block next depending on their whims.
100%. Was just reading that shit show myself. There’s definitely both up and down side to the fediverse
I think most of those sorts of issues would be solved if you could easily move servers (taking your account and posts). Technically it should be possible to do, just not possible right now.
What would it look like (technically)? Even mastodon has not solves this issue, they use a redirect to point an old account at the new but I’m not sure if there is much more than that.
I believe Firefish lets you do it? I think the basic idea is that since every server can (potentially) have a copy of every post, it’s just a matter of ensuring all your posts are available on your new server, and linking those posts to your new account. You may lost the ability to edit them, but there would at least be a record of them.
That is my understanding anyway, but I’m sure I’ve seen people who know more a lot more than I do saying it’s technically possible (although may be quite difficult to implement in practice).
You’d have to federate the change out to other servers, editing the original author to be the new account. You’d need all the different activitypub platforms to support this otherwise different sites would show different info.
And it needs to originate from the original server as you couldn’t trust a new server claiming it’s you.
I’d guess it’s doable within a single platform, but federating out to other platforms seems tricky. That’s probably good enough though you’d need it to fail gracefully in situations it doesn’t work.
It depends on the goal. If you just want to have a record of all your old posts, then it’s just a matter of making sure there’s a copy on your new server and associating them with your account. You don’t even have to federate the change necessarily. If you want to change the ownership of all the original posts, that’s a lot harder and may not be possible. There’s a separate a issue of what happens when a server disappears, but that has a whole lot of related issues, like communities disappearing, which are a problem. But if we assume it’s just about a user wanting to move from one server to another when the old server is not shutting down, it becomes a bit simpler.
Yes, which shouldn’t be a problem if the old server isn’t shutting down.
I think this sums it up 😆. Some things are easy, some may be hard, others may not be possible.
Yep!
I guess I don’t see why people need to maintain full ownership of their posts. I guess you might want to edit it, but do you really need to do that for posts a few years old?
Can’t you just use your lemmy.world account to join communities on another instance? Or is leaving a moral stance?
With their size, I’m wondering if they are starting to get cease and desist notices.
Edit:
oh shit, they defederated an instance because of piracy on that instance? That’s a different ballpark.Edit 2: seems they blocked cetain communities on another instance? I didn’t think lemmy had that built in.
Looks like a bit of discussion here:
https://lemmy.nz/post/981948
https://lemmy.nz/post/983194
As far as I’m aware discussion of piracy isn’t illegal. I haven’t seen any direct links to content on the dbzero instance (admittedly I haven’t been looking).
The fact they went along with it after a new account on a different instance asked them to block it is concerning though.
Laws are complicated. As mentioned in another post, the server is hosted in Finland, by a German hosting company, run by a Dutch admin, behind Cloudflare bot protection based in the US. Any of those countries could have a law that makes this illegal.
But even worse, a comparatively small website run on donations doesn’t need to break a law to get shut down, they just need to have enough legal challenges to make it too costly to continue (they likely could not afford even one court case, even if they were likely to win).
As an instance admin this stuff is always in the back of my mind. Another reason I’m keen to not grow too quick, so we can sort out these sorts of issues.
I get what you’re saying, but it wasn’t like they received a dmca notice or cease and desist. It was just a random new user asking them to do it. I just don’t see how they could have got in trouble immediately without the option to defederate or block those communities in the case of a legal notice.
In any case piracy communities all know not to post or host any direct links. Even reddit’s piracy subreddit has lasted for a long time.
I guess the beauty of the fediverse is that it’s simple enough to move to another instance instead of just losing access.
It’s possible that request prompted a review of what was allowed, and they realised those communities broke their rules.
Not saying it was necessarily the right decision, but it doesn’t necessarily mean something nefarious went on.
Yeah it definitely comes across as a bit of an odd sequence of events. I seem to recall there were more examples of similar actions from lemmy.world as well.
Joined a smaller instance, got access to the removed piracy community, but lost access to any Lemmy.world communities.
As long as the instance you joined is federated with lemmy.world shouldn’t you have access to it? I don’t know, maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in
I expected that every instance anywhere should be able to see everything else. I’m guessing the instance I tried isn’t federated to lemmy.world. But I don’t know how it all works.