I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

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    11 hours ago

    It’s a funny and depressing situation that Lemmy users are so adamant that no one could possibly have a different perspective than them and if they do they must be Russian assets.

    Despite those exact positions being reflected in real human American/western political voices–when it shows up in our special little space suddenly it’s spoooooky foreign astroturfing. I believe the kids call that behavior “cope.” XD

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      Oh there’s certainly real belief too but the “loudness” is certainly amplified beyond what it would usually be. A lot of those accounts have been entirely silent on the conflict since the election which is suspicious to me.

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        11 hours ago

        Can you cite a few of said accounts so I can take a look? For me, I still see a lot of pro-Palestine sentiment. But to me, it makes nothing but sense that after the election people stop talking about… the election, y’know? You’ll notice MAGA voices also stopped talking about the election too, haha.

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          I got better things to do than go back and find them. Just a trend I noticed. I still see pro Palestinian sentiment (which i agree with) but i don’t see the level of blame assignment Biden and Dems got. I see some outrage about like the golden pager but not about rereleasing 2ton bombs. For people who seemed so single-issue its odd.

          I mean yeah why would anyone talk about the election anymore unless they’ve got some new take or perspective on why dems lost.

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            6 hours ago

            fair enough!

            for what it’s worth i’m probably one of the people you thought was a russian troll. so here’s some blame for old time’s sake: Biden is partially responsible for the estimated 200k deaths in Gaza and still has blood on his hands. i voted for Harris but like many i advocated for her to diverge from Biden on Gaza for her entire campaign.

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              That’s not the view the people I’m talking about were voicing. The people I’m talking about were saying Biden/Harris or Trump would be the same for Gaza so they weren’t going vote or were voting third party that way magically the blood isn’t on their hands. “How is Trump worse for Gaza?” was a common response to calling them out.

              This take of vote harris and advocate for her to do better on Gaza is not the take I was seeing and it’s not one I have an issue with since it was my view as well. Espousing that view in those threads just resulted in obtuse takes per the above.

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                ah also fair! I only assumed because i myself have also been accused of being a Russian operative many times

                I guess the real “both sides” was all along just the answer to “who here works in a troll farm?” ;P

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          Can you cite a few of said accounts so I can take a look?

          They won’t, it’s a talking point they were always going to deploy and has nothing to do with evidence. Of course, political discourse was always going to die down after the election, and there’s also several accounts they’re not seeing because they got banned (lol). BlueAnon isn’t based on reason.

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            They see us speaking up in every thread like this and still… At dinner some point you get so sick of it you just stop responding because the election is over.

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              Maybe I should just start talking about how all the pro-Kamala people suddenly disappeared after the election, proving that they were feds. Turns out you can just say stuff.