"The Left has FAILED Men"... I guess
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Responding to the 1 millionth time that people have said "the left has failed men" and somehow... kinda agreeing with Shoe on Head2:00 Y'all are overreacting...

I watched a video today talking about common talking points concerning how „the left has failed men“

I would argue F.D argues that while this is often cited as a critique on how „the Left“ is losing young men to right grifters like Tate, Peterson, etc.

He eventually argues that these misogynistic forces are not new and have only been thriving because of economic problems (capitalism yaaay) faced in the present.

As I really like this community I thought I give it a shot to post something. If I should try to give a broader summary of the video please feel free to tell me.

Thanks for reading :)

  • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
    22·
    1 year ago

    In another comment in this thread I list some of the specific problems of boys and young men with good leftist solutions.

    If you don’t engage with what I write, than there is little point in this conversation for me.

    That’s the whole concept of the left. Everyone fights the patriarchy in the ways they need,

    Just want to point out, you confuse leftism and feminism and you spend to much time debatelording online, afk most people just want to live their life and not fight the system.

    • Hacksaw@lemmy.ca
      4·
      1 year ago

      My comment was too long as is. There are like 20 comments in this thread I didn’t think I was asking for a lot to point you to a list.

      I got to “the patriarchy” through leftism not feminism. When I say patriarchy I mean hierarchal structures of oppression. I spent a long time working against hierarchal structures and thinking before I realized that when feminists say “the patriarchy” they refer specifically to the primary hierarchal structure of oppression that has been operating for the last few centuries in the western world and in other parts. Since it’s more specific and precise than “the primary hierarchal structure of oppression that has been operating for the last few centuries in the western world and in other parts” I use it. It also helps me understand and connect to feminism better. I find as a man, it’s easy to feel alienated with certain rhetoric lately so this helps counter that.

      I feel like I responded directly to your question though:

      • We don’t have a good pipeline for young men to get from curious to fighting for their rights through leftism

      • We’re not good allies to young men who fight for leftist ideology.

      You’re right in your final point, most people just want to live their lives. When we show them the things that help them are on the left they’ll vote left. The ones who want to fight will be the ones fighting.

      • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
        2·
        1 year ago

        No you still didn’t answer what aspects for young men, the left does not cover?

        Also do you have any real life experience with leftist spaces? I happen to work with visuals and so I’m involved in with the alternative scene quite a bit. Never been alienated as a dude or see other guys being alienated for being a man. There is also no shortage of guys there.

        • Hacksaw@lemmy.ca
          3·
          1 year ago

          Kudos to you for contributing! No, I’ve never felt out of place in leftist spaces, but I know many young men are alienated by what they see of “loud” leftist ideology, lack of support online etc…

          As for “aspects” I believe ideologically the left has the best answers for men. I think it’s more the logistical aspects I described in previous posts we don’t cover well/enough.

          • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
            11·
            1 year ago

            the right is pulling boys and young men because they’re the only ones that acknowledge that these boys are not thriving in modern society.

            So how does the left has the answers for men despite not even asking the questions?

            but I know many young men are alienated by what they see of “loud” leftist ideology, lack of support online etc…

            Or maybe of what they see, by how right wing is portraying the leftist ideology? Lack of support online, what do you even mean?